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Why Suing Over A Review Is Rarely a Good Idea – The Case Of Dog Tranquility
Dave Oremland sent me a Washington Post article last week detailing a case where small business owner Colleen Dermott of Dog Tranquility in Burke, VA was suing a client for $65,000. The client had left bad reviews on Yelp and Angie’s List. She claimed that the client, Jennifer Ujimori, in leaving a bad review, had made statements that were false and damaged her small business, which had had great reviews until that point.
The facts, as far as one can tell, are that the customer was requesting a refund and the owner, on the basis of a signed agreement, refused. The customer wrote reviews critical of the business owner on several fronts and the business owner then sued for defamation.
According to the Washington Post the business owner had attempted several different ways to satisfy Ujimori — including offering a credit for a future class — but the offers fell short of a full refund and the customer refused.
Not only has the client refused the offers but she has started significant pushback against the lawyer letters and suit. First responding to the letter publicly on Yelp and then apparently taking her case public. She is asking the state to pass anti-SLAPP law to protect her 1st Amendment rights.
The Post quotes the owner as saying “It had a significant impact in that I’m a small-business owner. I have to rely on these review sites as a major source of advertising.”
I marvel at the many business owners like Colleen that seem to be willing to continually shoot themselves in the foot over reviews. Clearly both sides have gone all in. The problem though is that the business has much, much more to lose and very little to gain. This would appear to me one of those cases where even if the business wins they will lose.
While I think that there are likely two sides to this story, let’s for a second assume that the owner is totally in the right on this and that there should be no refund of any amount, the customer knew what she was getting and that the sale was final. I don’t think that but for arguments sake let’s take that position.**
How does the owner possibly come out top by filing a suit?
-She will be out thousands of dollars in legal fees.
-She will become has become the target of the scorn of the internet hordes who will think her evil*.
-She will get press and lots of it. It is not clear to me though that it is the sort of press that will serve her business.
Most importantly, future customers, those that care deeply about their dogs will perceive this person as inflexible, petty and vindictive. Is that the person that you want training your dog?
Assuming that the owner was not going to give a refund, what could she have done besides suing?
In her case there was plenty.
-She could have started by getting a listing at Google, which as far as I can tell she doesn’t have.
-She could have gotten some additional reviews at Google, Yelp and Angie’s list.
-She could have done some basic local SEO on her website and actually got it to rank. Her home page title tag reads: <title>Home</title>.
-She could have done limited reputation management and built out her profiles at Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere.
-Christ for the cost of the suit she could have done all of that and had plenty left over to spend on a significant marketing campaign both off line and on.
This case is interesting. It shows how, if a business digs their heels in “on principal” they can easily end up with a much bigger battle on their hands than they ever could have imagined.
It’s fine and even sometimes appropriate to stand on principal (although you might want them to be better founded). But as a small business owner, once you do, think carefully about your next steps and how you want to spend your time and your money to try to improve the situation.
Here is the Yelp review posted and an update posted 1/28 followed by the owner response describing the situation:
Since posting my below poor review of Dog Tranquility LLC and Colleen Dermott, I received a threatening letter from an attorney. The letter demands removal of comments and threatens legal action. The comments in my review describe my opinions and are an account of my experience from my perspective. I specifically contacted Colleen for puppy training and socialization and these expectations were not met by the services sold to me. I also signed up for a class advertised on the company’s website to be limited to 8 dogs but this was false advertising because there were more than 8 dogs in the class. The website was changed after I raised this dispute but I have copies of the archive webpage before it was altered. As far as I’m concerned, I signed a contract under false pretenses. I feel very misled and regret doing business with Colleen Dermott/Dog Tranquility LLC.
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I enrolled my small breed puppy in a group puppy class. The puppy class was advertised for dogs 8 weeks to 5 months of age but the other dogs in the class were adolescent (less than 1 year) and adult dogs. In addition, the dogs were medium to large size breeds and my puppy is a small breed that at the time weighed approximately 4 pounds. As a result, my puppy and I were isolated in a separate fenced off area at the first class. The isolation made it difficult to hear the instructions or benefit from the training and I left the class no more informed about training my puppy than when I arrived. I felt I paid money to be isolated with my puppy in a gated area for an hour. Furthermore, the group classes were advertised on the website as being limited to no more than 8 dogs. However, there were more than 8 dogs in the class.
After I initiated a dispute and requested a refund, the owner changed her website information to state that group class enrollment was 10 dogs. In a nutshell, the services delivered were not as advertised and the owner refused a refund, to include a prorated refund. She asks clients to sign a liability waiver that includes a “no refund” policy clause prior to the start of the first training session with dogs. Therefore, it was signed before I became aware of the ages/breeds of the other dogs in the class and that there would be more than 8 dogs. I basically signed under false pretenses but the owner cited the “no refund” clause on the signed form when I told her that the class was not as advertised and asked for a refund. She also cited the clause stating that I would be responsible for paying related attorney costs should she need to retain one. After this dispute arose, the owner changed the information on her website to state that group class enrollment is 10 dogs. Overall, I feel very mislead and feel the owner has not demonstrated good faith or business ethics. I will not continue classes with this company and will not recommend to others.
On 2/19 the owner of Dog Tranquility, Colleen Dermott responded:
I am so sorry you did not have a good experience in my class. We did exchange 2 emails prior to your enrollment in the Basic Obedience class about the class being open to all age groups. There was a total of 6 puppies under 5 months enrolled in your class for age/size appropriate socialization. I have offered 3 alternate options for you (including private socialization sessions, another group class, or adjustments to your current class). I was notified on January 23, 2015 that you were interested in signing up for a different group class and I would be happy to make that happen. The customer agreement contract everyone signs has a no refund policy once training has begun, but I am always happy to find a better solution to fit your and your pups needs at no additional cost. Thank you for bringing your concerns to my attention as they will help me make my classes a better experience for everyone!
* Last time I checked there had been 84 reviews removed for violation of TOS and a number of others that were clearly political.
** The client, Jennifer Ujimori, has only ever left 2 reviews on Yelp and both were 1 star reviews. It is more than conceivable that this person is NOT the world’s best customer. But that is irrelevant unless the business wants to commit suicide.
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Nice review of the newest version of the “review morass” a continuing saga of customers and businesses dealing with the consumer review phenomena.
I agree with your perspective. A business has innumerable better things to do rather than engage in a lawsuit. The time and money investment is huge. The business owner will be dealing with her attorney and prepping for this potential lawsuit for dozens of hours at least. That time could be better spent elsewhere.
That doesn’t even cover the costs which you describe. The business owner could spend $$ to placate or solve the issue with the unhappy customer. Those costs would never equal the costs to be incurred with this potential suit.
That of course doesn’t cover the bad press.
Meanwhile customers have a power and a capability to address situations that they never had before.
(aside)
Frankly, I wish miserable reviews like this one would work with the local cable company…..but they don’t. Cable is a monopoly. Its impervious to bad reviews.
The reviews on yelp that currently show for the smb are a situation in flux. Interestingly the body of reviews before this incident were incredibly favorable. Once the incident occurred a slew of reviews in March were moved to “filtered” or not showing…and a far larger body of recent reviews were removed.
But the business had GREAT reviews before this incident occurred. Ultimately I believe the smb owner showed poor judgement in not settling this situation and even poorer judgement in suing the reviewer.
Reviews= one big frigging crazy morass.
@dave
I agree the sensible thing might have been a refund but it would appear that the chance for that probably disappeared after some back and forth.
Clearly the two of them are going to take it to the mat unfortunately the business has the most to lose.
And all over $170.
Mike,
Great post. I started writing a blog post of my own on this topic, now I have to make sure I take out all the things that repeat what you just wrote! 🙂
SMB’s need to get over the idea that every review MUST be positive…. but then again, how can they with all the articles out there about a 1-star increase in score increasing revenue? Reviews have become horribly gamified and it’s not a good thing. When there is so little interest in an open dialog with reviews, how authentic can they really be?
Mike: From your comments above:
“-She could have started by getting a listing at Google, which as far as I can tell she doesn’t have.
-She could have gotten some additional reviews at Google, Yelp and Angie’s list.
-She could have done some basic local SEO on her website and actually got it to rank. Her home page title tag reads: Home.
-She could have done limited reputation management and built out her profiles at Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere.
-Christ for the cost of the suit she could have done all of that and had plenty left over to spend on a significant marketing campaign both off line and on.”
How observant. If one looks up Dog Tranquility, Burke Va, the yelp listing shows above her website. The website is hosted by godaddy.
It would seem as a small business owner she knows nothing about any type of seo, local seo, and even the most rudimentary elements of a website. With a little education and awareness she might have gained enough understanding and appreciation of important web elements to incorporate some of those suggestions.
I suppose there are around 20 million small businesses in the US (per various reports). So many of them have absolutely no clue what to do on a website basis. A little education would have and could have gone a long way to creating ways to mitigate this “disaster” let alone some sounder thinking with regard to that action and its potential consequences.
@Dave
Absolutely.
Nice autopsy, Mike.
More sad truths are that (1) any discerning reader can tell “J.U.” has a screw loose, and that (2) her one negative review of Dog Tranquility wouldn’t – and in fact didn’t – even pull down the average rating significantly. There were over a dozen other reviews.
Colleen there just learned about the Streisand Effect the hard way.
I do agree with you Mike, in this case the owner is not going to get any benefits. Even it’ll force future customers to re-think before taking the owner’s services.
It’s also true that the owner had tried to give full support to the client and due to the negative reviews, her business is affected. And this incidence will create awareness among customers while giving negative reviews on Yelp like sites.
@Phil
It does appear that J.U. is a nightmare customer and as you say might have a screw loose. Even the pre purchase emails might have so indicated. Perhaps the business should have spotted her up front.
It would also appear that the owner might have a few bolts shy of the quota as well…. a law suit?
I have learned through much experience that you can’t win a pissing match with a crazy person… they always seem to have more urine and are willing to use it in ways that you can’t imagine.
Sometimes (most often actually), it’s just prudent to provide a refund, agree that things didn’t work out, and part ways as amicably as possible. This case shows what happens when you don’t… not pretty.
The most incredible thing I saw here is that this bad review is in the “not recommended” section of Yelp. It didn’t affect her star rating and most yelp users have no idea that review exists.
Overreact, much?
Why did they even bother? You are going to get an occasional bad review, sometimes from competitors (which tempts me to sue, but still is not worth it considering the cost of lawyers.) In this case a refund would have been so much cheaper and less trouble. If you give consistently good service and are friendly over a long period of time, you will get a loyal following of clients who will not be deterred from the occasional cranky, false, or even legitimate review. I cancelled my Yelp business account because I get very few leads from it and I was only keeping in case I got a bad review. I did get one from a competitor, actually his girlfriend, who then appeared on Facebook hugging the same woman. I presented the evidence to my account rep and they removed the false review. I decided the monthly fee was too expensive as bad review insurance.
This reminds of me of a related but slightly different case – a Chinese restaurant in Millbrae, CA got a bad review on Yelp, but they had video recordings of their waiting area and could basically disprove the Yelp reviewer’s comments.
They posted about this publicly, and in this case it looks like “the Internet” has decided to defend the business and blast the Yelp reviewer. Plus the whole thing probably ended up being free publicity for the restaurant.
@Bryan
I think bad reviews can sometimes have that affect. The business owner in Illinois that spoke out in favor of the new law received $850,000 through a kick starter campaign and even this business owner seems to have rallied the troops on Facebook.
In this case though the recourse of court seems both counter productive and unlikely to be as cost effective as the video.
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