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	<title>Comments for Understanding Google Places &amp; Local Search</title>
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		<title>Comment on Google Places Updates Guidelines Updates on PO Box Policy by Dave</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/24/google-places-updates-guidelines-updates-on-po-box-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-571685</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:  

I can&#039;t help but think that the serious serial spammers are in part a cause for the evolution of the PO box TOS.   Your review of the 29Prime Case, and  analysis of how they tied the PO address to their location in establishing their URL  highlighted how deliberate that business was in creating an original address off of a PO box.

It creates a problem and annoyance for small businesses and rural businesses that have genuine reasons for establishing PO box addresses.

As Andy suggested the complex issues with Google Places, and what I suspect are serious issues created by spammers is somehow forcing google to put more resources into Places to get it closer to &quot;correct&quot;

I still hope they put more personnel into effecting &quot;hand fixes&quot; or what Vanessa described in one comment as a &quot;point fix&quot;  

That would expedite cleaning up problems for a lot of smbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that the serious serial spammers are in part a cause for the evolution of the PO box TOS.   Your review of the 29Prime Case, and  analysis of how they tied the PO address to their location in establishing their URL  highlighted how deliberate that business was in creating an original address off of a PO box.</p>
<p>It creates a problem and annoyance for small businesses and rural businesses that have genuine reasons for establishing PO box addresses.</p>
<p>As Andy suggested the complex issues with Google Places, and what I suspect are serious issues created by spammers is somehow forcing google to put more resources into Places to get it closer to &#8220;correct&#8221;</p>
<p>I still hope they put more personnel into effecting &#8220;hand fixes&#8221; or what Vanessa described in one comment as a &#8220;point fix&#8221;  </p>
<p>That would expedite cleaning up problems for a lot of smbs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Places Updates Guidelines Updates on PO Box Policy by Andy Kuiper</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/24/google-places-updates-guidelines-updates-on-po-box-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-571682</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Kuiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand, and agree, about the need to do this... however there are legitimate rural businesses that are forced to receive mail from a PO box. Horse breeders, dog kennels, race tracks, etc. Will verification be a prolonged hassle? Please assist these types of businesses too Google :-) ---&gt; I hope the Places Support Team can handle this extra work :-)

Thanks for the heads up Mike, as well as the process to deal with it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, and agree, about the need to do this&#8230; however there are legitimate rural businesses that are forced to receive mail from a PO box. Horse breeders, dog kennels, race tracks, etc. Will verification be a prolonged hassle? Please assist these types of businesses too Google <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8212;&gt; I hope the Places Support Team can handle this extra work <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up Mike, as well as the process to deal with it <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571679</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 11:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dana

I did check with a lawyer that specializes in internet law and he did feel that ANY deception in the review process would be viewed askance by the FTC AND State AG&#039;s.

@Bryan
I would agree that whenever SEO/Review Management businesses perceive that an economic gain is on the the table an algo is often not up to the task of preventing abuses. These folks will figure out a way around it. 

Although Google is moving in the direction of author rank with the rollout of Google + so this might fulfilll your ideal of a verified reviewer at least for them. 

The reality is that  the industry is unlikely to agree on common verified user system. Like with business verification it might end up as Google against everyone else. 

But in addition to a verified user, there is a need (in my opinion) for a clear legal framework AND some enforcement. Otherwise there will continue to be companies that push the limits of the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dana</p>
<p>I did check with a lawyer that specializes in internet law and he did feel that ANY deception in the review process would be viewed askance by the FTC AND State AG&#8217;s.</p>
<p>@Bryan<br />
I would agree that whenever SEO/Review Management businesses perceive that an economic gain is on the the table an algo is often not up to the task of preventing abuses. These folks will figure out a way around it. </p>
<p>Although Google is moving in the direction of author rank with the rollout of Google + so this might fulfilll your ideal of a verified reviewer at least for them. </p>
<p>The reality is that  the industry is unlikely to agree on common verified user system. Like with business verification it might end up as Google against everyone else. </p>
<p>But in addition to a verified user, there is a need (in my opinion) for a clear legal framework AND some enforcement. Otherwise there will continue to be companies that push the limits of the process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Brian Coryat</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571674</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Coryat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 23:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I agree with your points but I think the discussion really brings the obvious question to light.

With the growing importance of reviews for all businesses, how will the industry as a whole monitor and verify that reviews are a real customer writing a real review?  I don&#039;t believe that this can be accomplished successful using an algorithm. (even for super smart Google).

I believe that reviewers will somehow need to be &quot;verified&quot;.  Maybe through a very small credit card transaction, phone verification,  or something similar that would insure a real person wrote the review.

I&#039;d love to hear others thought on this.

PS.  As far as legality, I&#039;m sure the FTC wouldn&#039;t approve of &quot;helping&quot; the review posting process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I agree with your points but I think the discussion really brings the obvious question to light.</p>
<p>With the growing importance of reviews for all businesses, how will the industry as a whole monitor and verify that reviews are a real customer writing a real review?  I don&#8217;t believe that this can be accomplished successful using an algorithm. (even for super smart Google).</p>
<p>I believe that reviewers will somehow need to be &#8220;verified&#8221;.  Maybe through a very small credit card transaction, phone verification,  or something similar that would insure a real person wrote the review.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear others thought on this.</p>
<p>PS.  As far as legality, I&#8217;m sure the FTC wouldn&#8217;t approve of &#8220;helping&#8221; the review posting process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Dana DiTomaso</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571673</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana DiTomaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, not at all. The way it was pitched to the client is that you send the review company reviews that you&#039;ve received and then the review company will &quot;have our SEO team integrate them into popular search engines such as Google, The Yellow Pages and Web Local.&quot; (real quote)

They also said it was a way to help manage your online reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, not at all. The way it was pitched to the client is that you send the review company reviews that you&#8217;ve received and then the review company will &#8220;have our SEO team integrate them into popular search engines such as Google, The Yellow Pages and Web Local.&#8221; (real quote)</p>
<p>They also said it was a way to help manage your online reputation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dana
What is curious is that this practice, while unehtical and deceptive and in violation of google&#039;s TOS, does not appear to be illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dana<br />
What is curious is that this practice, while unehtical and deceptive and in violation of google&#8217;s TOS, does not appear to be illegal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Dana DiTomaso</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571671</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana DiTomaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiming in late - I recently had a client who was given an award (like Reader&#039;s Choice) and part of what was included in the &quot;Premium Package&quot; was just this kind of service. They thought it was a bit fishy and asked me my thoughts - thank goodness, in case they got caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in late &#8211; I recently had a client who was given an award (like Reader&#8217;s Choice) and part of what was included in the &#8220;Premium Package&#8221; was just this kind of service. They thought it was a bit fishy and asked me my thoughts &#8211; thank goodness, in case they got caught.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571670</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HORNSWAGGLED
Yelp essentially does what you suggest but puts untrusted reviews in an area accessed via a link.

I think that Google is fearful if they make it obvious wha the algo thinks is the &quot;bad&quot; review that spammers will take more advantage of their system then they already do. 

@Miriam
I think there is a general wink and a nod between the business owner and the service provider. It is hard to understand what either are thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HORNSWAGGLED<br />
Yelp essentially does what you suggest but puts untrusted reviews in an area accessed via a link.</p>
<p>I think that Google is fearful if they make it obvious wha the algo thinks is the &#8220;bad&#8221; review that spammers will take more advantage of their system then they already do. </p>
<p>@Miriam<br />
I think there is a general wink and a nod between the business owner and the service provider. It is hard to understand what either are thinking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive Only Review Services Come Under Scrutiny in Main Stream Media by MiriamEllis</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/21/positive-only-review-services-come-under-scrutiny-in-main-stream-media/comment-page-1/#comment-571669</link>
		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an interesting piece, Mike. Thanks for linking to it. 

In situations like this, I have to wonder if a service like this is created in the absence of knowledge of the guidelines, or, in complete awareness and with a willingness to violate them. 

Also, have to say, paying someone $125/month for any professional service is not a surefire way to acquire a high level practitioner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an interesting piece, Mike. Thanks for linking to it. </p>
<p>In situations like this, I have to wonder if a service like this is created in the absence of knowledge of the guidelines, or, in complete awareness and with a willingness to violate them. </p>
<p>Also, have to say, paying someone $125/month for any professional service is not a surefire way to acquire a high level practitioner.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 29Prime &#8211; Would you Buy a Used Car From These Guys Let Alone SEO? by Linda Buquet</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/05/15/29prime-would-you-buy-a-used-car-from-these-guys-let-alone-seo/comment-page-2/#comment-571668</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Buquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and 2 obviously fake reviews on the Reliable Places Place page.
http://g.co/maps/dns4t

They both review other 29 Prime locations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and 2 obviously fake reviews on the Reliable Places Place page.<br />
<a href="http://g.co/maps/dns4t">http://g.co/maps/dns4t</a></p>
<p>They both review other 29 Prime locations.</p>
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