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	<title>Comments on: Google Local: Improved Messaging on Moved Businesses Now Showing</title>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2013/01/19/google-local-improved-messaging-on-moved-businesses-now-showing/comment-page-1/#comment-594069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Elchanan &quot;Bravo&quot; and &quot;Bing&quot; in the same sentence - in regards to their portal? I don&#039;t believe it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elchanan &#8220;Bravo&#8221; and &#8220;Bing&#8221; in the same sentence &#8211; in regards to their portal? I don&#8217;t believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Elchanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish :-) I have several issues with Bing Local (Bing Business Portal) and I was amazed with the fast response and even follow up until problems has been solved. Bravo Bing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I have several issues with Bing Local (Bing Business Portal) and I was amazed with the fast response and even follow up until problems has been solved. Bravo Bing!</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s about time.  Oddly enough, my team and I have been taking this exact course of action (the reporting procedure) for over a year for clients whose addresses have changed.  If only Google would retro-actively update all those listings we reported with this new feature...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time.  Oddly enough, my team and I have been taking this exact course of action (the reporting procedure) for over a year for clients whose addresses have changed.  If only Google would retro-actively update all those listings we reported with this new feature&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elchanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now it is locked and we did contact Google using &quot;Google Help Fix a Problem troubleshooters&quot; and &quot;Not True&quot; link on Jan 14, 2013.

The mapmaker history shows that it closed by &quot;Google Automated Internal Syncer&quot; Oct 18, 2012. Not by vandalyst, my error.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it is locked and we did contact Google using &#8220;Google Help Fix a Problem troubleshooters&#8221; and &#8220;Not True&#8221; link on Jan 14, 2013.</p>
<p>The mapmaker history shows that it closed by &#8220;Google Automated Internal Syncer&#8221; Oct 18, 2012. Not by vandalyst, my error.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Elchanan
You can ping it in the Dashboard, reopen it in MapMaker and ask for help from Google via that Google Help Fix a Problem troubleshooters. Ultimately it is necessary to get Google to lock the listing in MapMaker to prevent the vandalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elchanan<br />
You can ping it in the Dashboard, reopen it in MapMaker and ask for help from Google via that Google Help Fix a Problem troubleshooters. Ultimately it is necessary to get Google to lock the listing in MapMaker to prevent the vandalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Elchanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if someone else close your business? I have one client that have this problem and we&#039;re waiting to Google to belive them. It is a company and office with 200 employees!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if someone else close your business? I have one client that have this problem and we&#8217;re waiting to Google to belive them. It is a company and office with 200 employees!</p>
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		<title>By: earlpearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah.  one small step for relocating businesses, consistency from the monopoly on eyeballs, Google.   Maybe not best case alternative but at least consistent between G&#039; s owndata sources populating the places record.

A positive small step.

tx for the update, Linda]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  one small step for relocating businesses, consistency from the monopoly on eyeballs, Google.   Maybe not best case alternative but at least consistent between G&#8217; s owndata sources populating the places record.</p>
<p>A positive small step.</p>
<p>tx for the update, Linda</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Buquet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Buquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike I just found out the MM guidelines or help docs were updated to be consistent with what Google told us. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://localsearchforum.catalystemarketing.com/moving-name-changes/1580-new-business-moved-feature-google-local-listings.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joel and Jade had both posted in my forum&lt;/a&gt; in Dec. that MM conflicted and was out of date and we should follow their advice to open/close even if nearby move in-city - not follow MM which said if in-city, just edit existing feature.

Andrew just posted tonight that the MM rules were changed Jan 4 and now are consistent with what Joel and Jade told us to do: 

http://support.google.com/mapmaker/answer/1065792?hl=en
&quot;This place is closed: Indicates that the feature has relocated from one place to another, regardless of distance.&quot; 

So now at least it&#039;s consistent and they are in sync, but didn&#039;t go in the direction I hoped it would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I just found out the MM guidelines or help docs were updated to be consistent with what Google told us. </p>
<p><a href="http://localsearchforum.catalystemarketing.com/moving-name-changes/1580-new-business-moved-feature-google-local-listings.html">Joel and Jade had both posted in my forum</a> in Dec. that MM conflicted and was out of date and we should follow their advice to open/close even if nearby move in-city &#8211; not follow MM which said if in-city, just edit existing feature.</p>
<p>Andrew just posted tonight that the MM rules were changed Jan 4 and now are consistent with what Joel and Jade told us to do: </p>
<p><a href="http://support.google.com/mapmaker/answer/1065792?hl=en">http://support.google.com/mapmaker/answer/1065792?hl=en</a><br />
&#8220;This place is closed: Indicates that the feature has relocated from one place to another, regardless of distance.&#8221; </p>
<p>So now at least it&#8217;s consistent and they are in sync, but didn&#8217;t go in the direction I hoped it would.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Buquet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Buquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mike. When Google shared that example with us I forgot to post an update about it.

@Dave I really gave Google pushback on same city moves since the MM RERS at my forum kept saying the MM rules say DON&#039;T open new and close old - simply edit existing. And I didn&#039;t want have to keep advising businesses to jump through these hoops, if simply editing was an option. Especially since most business moves are nearby/same city.

But in a nutshell I was told by G, on business listings,  they really recommend you start new/close old to avoid data conflicts - even though the MM guidelines say the opposite.

IMO this whole problem is because the G+L scraper is out of control. Every time it finds the old data it will try to change your address back. THAT causes support problems. But if the old listing is closed I think it sort of suppresses the old location so it does not keep creating data conflicts.  Easier for Google. Much harder and many extra steps for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike. When Google shared that example with us I forgot to post an update about it.</p>
<p>@Dave I really gave Google pushback on same city moves since the MM RERS at my forum kept saying the MM rules say DON&#8217;T open new and close old &#8211; simply edit existing. And I didn&#8217;t want have to keep advising businesses to jump through these hoops, if simply editing was an option. Especially since most business moves are nearby/same city.</p>
<p>But in a nutshell I was told by G, on business listings,  they really recommend you start new/close old to avoid data conflicts &#8211; even though the MM guidelines say the opposite.</p>
<p>IMO this whole problem is because the G+L scraper is out of control. Every time it finds the old data it will try to change your address back. THAT causes support problems. But if the old listing is closed I think it sort of suppresses the old location so it does not keep creating data conflicts.  Easier for Google. Much harder and many extra steps for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kuiper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kuiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clear... sorta kinda ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear&#8230; sorta kinda <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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