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		<title>By: Annual Print YP Death Watch &#124; Understanding Google Places &#38; Local Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annual Print YP Death Watch &#124; Understanding Google Places &#38; Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] year about this time I get my new Superpages print edition and every year I count fewer pages. This year [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] year about this time I get my new Superpages print edition and every year I count fewer pages. This year [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi There!

Miriam Ellis hit the nail on the head.  I myself have searched for local businesses and services on the internet but never get the results I am searching for.  On many occasions, I have also requested quotes/services via online and never received a call back or response.  How sad!! I pick up my local directory and make a quick call and all is well.  
But the sad part is...the business owner or representative makes a visit or you visit them and they never once ask how you found their business information. Business owners listen to the hype and believe the print is not working but it really is. So they dump all advertising dollars on the internet and don&#039;t get the ROI they expect, putting themselves in a bind because an effective internet campaign is not cheap and you must have a dedicated person to manage it.  That&#039;s why large companies have IT departments.
Are small businesses failing because of the economy?  I don&#039;t think so.  They are confused on where and how to invest their advertising dollars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There!</p>
<p>Miriam Ellis hit the nail on the head.  I myself have searched for local businesses and services on the internet but never get the results I am searching for.  On many occasions, I have also requested quotes/services via online and never received a call back or response.  How sad!! I pick up my local directory and make a quick call and all is well.<br />
But the sad part is&#8230;the business owner or representative makes a visit or you visit them and they never once ask how you found their business information. Business owners listen to the hype and believe the print is not working but it really is. So they dump all advertising dollars on the internet and don&#8217;t get the ROI they expect, putting themselves in a bind because an effective internet campaign is not cheap and you must have a dedicated person to manage it.  That&#8217;s why large companies have IT departments.<br />
Are small businesses failing because of the economy?  I don&#8217;t think so.  They are confused on where and how to invest their advertising dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike and all your followers - 

As I mentioned before, we are working hard on focusing on our customer&#039;s needs to - in many instances - earn back their trust. 

The facts are print is still viable (independent data proves it) and companies like SuperMedia are best set up to take the content of our customers and get it into the hands of consumers - - whether it is print, online, socially, or via mobile. 

I encourage you and your followers to Like/follow SuperMedia on Facebook and Twitter. We will respond/address to any feedback you may have and we will provide you with pertinent marketing information to help grow your business. 

Best,
Andy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike and all your followers &#8211; </p>
<p>As I mentioned before, we are working hard on focusing on our customer&#8217;s needs to &#8211; in many instances &#8211; earn back their trust. </p>
<p>The facts are print is still viable (independent data proves it) and companies like SuperMedia are best set up to take the content of our customers and get it into the hands of consumers &#8211; - whether it is print, online, socially, or via mobile. </p>
<p>I encourage you and your followers to Like/follow SuperMedia on Facebook and Twitter. We will respond/address to any feedback you may have and we will provide you with pertinent marketing information to help grow your business. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haha 

&quot;Yes, its almost getting to the point where I have stopped my cheering of their decline… its like cheering on a dying man…..&quot;

that is the the best stab I have heard taken at yellowpages in a looong time. 

I have a client who spends about 25,000 per year on yellowpages and is saying that if the client renews the contract and adds on ppc then they will personally spot them 6,500 throughout the year in ad spend. They are having to give free internet ads to keep big clients paying for something that doesn&#039;t worry as well. Very sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha </p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, its almost getting to the point where I have stopped my cheering of their decline… its like cheering on a dying man…..&#8221;</p>
<p>that is the the best stab I have heard taken at yellowpages in a looong time. </p>
<p>I have a client who spends about 25,000 per year on yellowpages and is saying that if the client renews the contract and adds on ppc then they will personally spot them 6,500 throughout the year in ad spend. They are having to give free internet ads to keep big clients paying for something that doesn&#8217;t worry as well. Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike
&quot;Tracking the tracking&quot; has a lot of value to us, because once our testing is complete we plan to share our data directly with YP publishers as justification for significant reductions in what we are willing to negotiate for print YP advertising.  In other words, we have data that says the value print is providing is less than previously thought, and that data will inform our negotiations.  The YPA/industry has in my view (understandably!) been turning a blind eye to this phenomenon - but we are a large national advertiser with strong data!

It&#039;s hard to say if those scraped RCFs are having an impact on local search optimization - conventional wisdom says yes, but how much, unsure. Interesting, we have through a separate initiative noticed recently that where our locations use RCFs on their business web sites, Google is in almost every case still successfully picking those web sites up as citations for the correct business in Places&#039; &quot;More About This Place&quot; (despite the inconsistent phone #).  So, maybe that inconsistent RCF phone number is not such a big deal anymore for citations, or at least not with Google Places?

We are also working with our RCF provider who has partnered with UBL and Localeze to &quot;flag&quot; known RCFs in their data distribution, with our permission.  Unfortunately they aren&#039;t willing to &quot;replace&quot; known RCFs in their data with the actual underlying numbers - they don&#039;t even want to know what the actual underlying number is, but will happily take an indicator just so they know it&#039;s a tracking number.  As I understand it this is because unlike us, most advertisers still want to use RCFs online, and would therefore have zero interest in having them replaced with the actual number online.  The saga continues!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike<br />
&#8220;Tracking the tracking&#8221; has a lot of value to us, because once our testing is complete we plan to share our data directly with YP publishers as justification for significant reductions in what we are willing to negotiate for print YP advertising.  In other words, we have data that says the value print is providing is less than previously thought, and that data will inform our negotiations.  The YPA/industry has in my view (understandably!) been turning a blind eye to this phenomenon &#8211; but we are a large national advertiser with strong data!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to say if those scraped RCFs are having an impact on local search optimization &#8211; conventional wisdom says yes, but how much, unsure. Interesting, we have through a separate initiative noticed recently that where our locations use RCFs on their business web sites, Google is in almost every case still successfully picking those web sites up as citations for the correct business in Places&#8217; &#8220;More About This Place&#8221; (despite the inconsistent phone #).  So, maybe that inconsistent RCF phone number is not such a big deal anymore for citations, or at least not with Google Places?</p>
<p>We are also working with our RCF provider who has partnered with UBL and Localeze to &#8220;flag&#8221; known RCFs in their data distribution, with our permission.  Unfortunately they aren&#8217;t willing to &#8220;replace&#8221; known RCFs in their data with the actual underlying numbers &#8211; they don&#8217;t even want to know what the actual underlying number is, but will happily take an indicator just so they know it&#8217;s a tracking number.  As I understand it this is because unlike us, most advertisers still want to use RCFs online, and would therefore have zero interest in having them replaced with the actual number online.  The saga continues!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andy 
Thanks for stopping by

@Chris
They do still have a url on the front page (it is attached to their name). The QR physically replaced what was a very obvious url.

@Jeff
Yes, I have seen several cases of call tracking numbers being scraped by Google and creating multiple listings and split citations for a given location. Worse I have seen a case where the original business lost control of the call tracking number and in the end a competitor ended up with that number. 

@Matt
If you need to track your tracking, how does the value of call tracking value of it offset the negatives? Have you found that it confuses Google Places?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy<br />
Thanks for stopping by</p>
<p>@Chris<br />
They do still have a url on the front page (it is attached to their name). The QR physically replaced what was a very obvious url.</p>
<p>@Jeff<br />
Yes, I have seen several cases of call tracking numbers being scraped by Google and creating multiple listings and split citations for a given location. Worse I have seen a case where the original business lost control of the call tracking number and in the end a competitor ended up with that number. </p>
<p>@Matt<br />
If you need to track your tracking, how does the value of call tracking value of it offset the negatives? Have you found that it confuses Google Places?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the Superpages and their business practices! It makes my job really easy to sell internet marketing services. Keep up the good work YP you are making all of us independent internet marketers look really good (and really affordable too). Last client I signed up moved a $5k per month budget over and we were able to reduce his spend AND easily increase his conversion ratio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Superpages and their business practices! It makes my job really easy to sell internet marketing services. Keep up the good work YP you are making all of us independent internet marketers look really good (and really affordable too). Last client I signed up moved a $5k per month budget over and we were able to reduce his spend AND easily increase his conversion ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew -
Re: seeing increases in number of calls.  I suspect there are a couple of trends behind that, but am interested in your thoughts as to why that is. 

Here are my thoughts:

1) The decline in consumer print YP usage is not yet as steep as the decline in advertiser participation, meaning there are relatively more calls for fewer businesses. Of course, this only lasts for so long as after a while it would seem that a consumer opening the YP to see only 2 plumbers, they give up on the medium.

2) I manage the YP program for a national advertiser and while we are seeing our calls increase (we put an RCF on every line in every book), we are also seeing (via call challenges on our RCF lines, ie &quot;press 1 if you found this number in a print directory, press 3 if you found it online) that a good portion of the tracked phone calls that are attributed to print YP are actually coming from ONLINE.  This, despite the fact that our RCFs are only placed in print directories.  No one seems to be talking about this.

Hypothesis is that the increases we have seen in YP call volume are due to more IYPs scraping print YP directories for data, resulting in RCFs showing up online and somewhat defeating the purpose of the call tracking.  I say that because we don&#039;t place much value in those online-generated calls as we know through our local search efforts that our local businesses can get those calls via inexpensive local search distribution (UBL, Localeze) ~$60/year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew -<br />
Re: seeing increases in number of calls.  I suspect there are a couple of trends behind that, but am interested in your thoughts as to why that is. </p>
<p>Here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>1) The decline in consumer print YP usage is not yet as steep as the decline in advertiser participation, meaning there are relatively more calls for fewer businesses. Of course, this only lasts for so long as after a while it would seem that a consumer opening the YP to see only 2 plumbers, they give up on the medium.</p>
<p>2) I manage the YP program for a national advertiser and while we are seeing our calls increase (we put an RCF on every line in every book), we are also seeing (via call challenges on our RCF lines, ie &#8220;press 1 if you found this number in a print directory, press 3 if you found it online) that a good portion of the tracked phone calls that are attributed to print YP are actually coming from ONLINE.  This, despite the fact that our RCFs are only placed in print directories.  No one seems to be talking about this.</p>
<p>Hypothesis is that the increases we have seen in YP call volume are due to more IYPs scraping print YP directories for data, resulting in RCFs showing up online and somewhat defeating the purpose of the call tracking.  I say that because we don&#8217;t place much value in those online-generated calls as we know through our local search efforts that our local businesses can get those calls via inexpensive local search distribution (UBL, Localeze) ~$60/year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love when they call and try to tell me how much business I&#039;m losing out on by not advertising in their books. Every once in a while someone will get me on the phone and tell me &quot;This is where everyone is heading because the internet is too cluttered&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when they call and try to tell me how much business I&#8217;m losing out on by not advertising in their books. Every once in a while someone will get me on the phone and tell me &#8220;This is where everyone is heading because the internet is too cluttered&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks @Andrew for sending me the email. the ball is at my field now. Will reply in a couple of days.


+++++on another note+++++
@Mike, This is my 100th comment in your blog! i remember the 1st one as it was yesterday :):):)

Thanks for all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @Andrew for sending me the email. the ball is at my field now. Will reply in a couple of days.</p>
<p>+++++on another note+++++<br />
@Mike, This is my 100th comment in your blog! i remember the 1st one as it was yesterday <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :):)</p>
<p>Thanks for all!</p>
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