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	<title>Comments on: Google Places Hack: Barnacle Marketing Goes Black</title>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-544507</link>
		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JoeMurph

The meaning is to use it instead of your own site&#039;s URL. this way, you&#039;ll be able to hack the local directory or vertical organic result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JoeMurph</p>
<p>The meaning is to use it instead of your own site&#8217;s URL. this way, you&#8217;ll be able to hack the local directory or vertical organic result.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeMurph</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543899</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeMurph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Mike,

When you say &quot;Take the exact URL and use it in your Places Dashboard&quot; you meant in the Website field of your listing or can it apply anywhere like in the Additional details for example.  ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike,</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;Take the exact URL and use it in your Places Dashboard&#8221; you meant in the Website field of your listing or can it apply anywhere like in the Additional details for example.  ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Puresheer

I find when trying to ballpark the impact of organic vs Places standing that if you look at a given result in AOL it gives a better sense of a &quot;pure&quot; organic rank of a listing without the apparent influence of the local listings... and might give you a sense of the final weight of organic vs local better]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Puresheer</p>
<p>I find when trying to ballpark the impact of organic vs Places standing that if you look at a given result in AOL it gives a better sense of a &#8220;pure&#8221; organic rank of a listing without the apparent influence of the local listings&#8230; and might give you a sense of the final weight of organic vs local better</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543885</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry.. We are struggling to fund good shorthand for the new local organic blended (LOB) results]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.. We are struggling to fund good shorthand for the new local organic blended (LOB) results</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543884</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, newbie question:

1. What does LOB stand for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, newbie question:</p>
<p>1. What does LOB stand for?</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike
It&#039;s 12 including the LOB. Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike<br />
It&#8217;s 12 including the LOB. Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543880</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Puresheer

When you say your site is ranked 12th is that 12th including the LOB or is it 12th on a site like AOL that is more &quot;pure&quot; organic results?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Puresheer</p>
<p>When you say your site is ranked 12th is that 12th including the LOB or is it 12th on a site like AOL that is more &#8220;pure&#8221; organic results?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Scott</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543876</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ted Paff,

I can&#039;t speak for Yelp, but it does appear there&#039;s less focus on integrity outside of the &quot;editorial&quot; reviews.

It&#039;s an inherent disconnect between the desire for organic reviews and the need to sell something.

@PureSheer,

AWESOME!

Look for a hand-edit soon :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ted Paff,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Yelp, but it does appear there&#8217;s less focus on integrity outside of the &#8220;editorial&#8221; reviews.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an inherent disconnect between the desire for organic reviews and the need to sell something.</p>
<p>@PureSheer,</p>
<p>AWESOME!</p>
<p>Look for a hand-edit soon <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike R

Great stuff indeed!
Also, like the good old time of spam, you can change once a month your URL to other Local verticals, city-sites &amp; even Wikipedia, etc... By that you&#039;ll be able to piling up heaps of citations. After a while, you can change the URL back to your site&#039;s &amp; you got your self an A1 listing.

BTW, Guys,

I&#039;m still trying to figure out the LOB weight between the listing it self &amp; the organic position. meaning:

From my R&amp;Ds, i can learn that a listing, when changing its URL to site you want to hack its organic result, will &#039;pull up&#039; the result (now LOB) into a MUCH higher position.

I have 2 examples:
1. I have a listing in Toronto ON that keeps coming &amp; going from the Maps index. My site&#039;s organic position is 12 (top of 2nd page). When the listing &#039;comes&#039; the LOB is 4th in the 1st page!!!

2. My 1st experiment, when i found out the trick of organic&#039;s hacking by a Maps listing, showed this:
I wanted to hack (just for the experiment) Super Pages organic result, ranked 8th for the term Locksmith Garden Grove. I just created a listing in Google Maps with SuperPages URL &amp; 3 weeks after that, both my listing &amp; SuperPages result became a LOB, ranked 3rd (&amp; my listing got a Locksmith category!!!!! which is REALLY RARE!!) 

Any other results or thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike R</p>
<p>Great stuff indeed!<br />
Also, like the good old time of spam, you can change once a month your URL to other Local verticals, city-sites &amp; even Wikipedia, etc&#8230; By that you&#8217;ll be able to piling up heaps of citations. After a while, you can change the URL back to your site&#8217;s &amp; you got your self an A1 listing.</p>
<p>BTW, Guys,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out the LOB weight between the listing it self &amp; the organic position. meaning:</p>
<p>From my R&amp;Ds, i can learn that a listing, when changing its URL to site you want to hack its organic result, will &#8216;pull up&#8217; the result (now LOB) into a MUCH higher position.</p>
<p>I have 2 examples:<br />
1. I have a listing in Toronto ON that keeps coming &amp; going from the Maps index. My site&#8217;s organic position is 12 (top of 2nd page). When the listing &#8216;comes&#8217; the LOB is 4th in the 1st page!!!</p>
<p>2. My 1st experiment, when i found out the trick of organic&#8217;s hacking by a Maps listing, showed this:<br />
I wanted to hack (just for the experiment) Super Pages organic result, ranked 8th for the term Locksmith Garden Grove. I just created a listing in Google Maps with SuperPages URL &amp; 3 weeks after that, both my listing &amp; SuperPages result became a LOB, ranked 3rd (&amp; my listing got a Locksmith category!!!!! which is REALLY RARE!!) </p>
<p>Any other results or thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2011/01/13/google-places-hack-barnacle-marketing-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-543793</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How&#039;d you guys stumble on my trick..... :-) 

Actually...here&#039;s another fun one (that was recently addressed in an update and doesn&#039;t work well) and I am glad as I was competed against a few listingswho were doing this. 

1. Create a listing for a City Name
2. Set the City Name category to City Center
3. Wait a few weeks
4. When the listing has tons of citations and UGC on it, plug in your real categories and a keyword with the city name. 
5. Have a super listing that doesn&#039;t even need reviews to have a major social signal. 

This was &quot;almost&quot; undetectable. The only way I was able to figure it out was by the User Generated Content only showing a mention of the City Name and not the business. Then I found a listing that was being &quot;baked&quot; and put the 2 together. 

Where there is an algo, there will always be loop holes. It still doesn&#039;t change the fact that hard work overtime will prevail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;d you guys stumble on my trick&#8230;.. <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Actually&#8230;here&#8217;s another fun one (that was recently addressed in an update and doesn&#8217;t work well) and I am glad as I was competed against a few listingswho were doing this. </p>
<p>1. Create a listing for a City Name<br />
2. Set the City Name category to City Center<br />
3. Wait a few weeks<br />
4. When the listing has tons of citations and UGC on it, plug in your real categories and a keyword with the city name.<br />
5. Have a super listing that doesn&#8217;t even need reviews to have a major social signal. </p>
<p>This was &#8220;almost&#8221; undetectable. The only way I was able to figure it out was by the User Generated Content only showing a mention of the City Name and not the business. Then I found a listing that was being &#8220;baked&#8221; and put the 2 together. </p>
<p>Where there is an algo, there will always be loop holes. It still doesn&#8217;t change the fact that hard work overtime will prevail.</p>
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