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		<title>By: Google Hotpot &#8211; Yelp Meets Netflix in a Local Recommendation Engine &#124; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Hotpot &#8211; Yelp Meets Netflix in a Local Recommendation Engine &#124; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has long been working on the separation of Places and Maps. This is as much to give Places a more visible platform as it is to give Maps the freedom to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nico

I see their recent API releases of Buzz, Lattitude and Places Nearby as efforts to push mapping via mashups into all of the subjective areas of which you speak...it is not just a fact/subjective distinction as you note but a platform and data distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nico</p>
<p>I see their recent API releases of Buzz, Lattitude and Places Nearby as efforts to push mapping via mashups into all of the subjective areas of which you speak&#8230;it is not just a fact/subjective distinction as you note but a platform and data distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Nico Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nico Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! My first comment here, but thanks are long overdue for all of the insights you&#039;ve shared.
I am wondering if the move from LBC to &quot;Places&quot; and some of the other changes you describe are part of a larger effort to differentiate fact-based local content from subjective and social-local content. Google has been collecting and organizing geo-coded UGC for quite a while now with Google Earth, and is now encouraging more with Places. 
When I think of a map, I think mostly of data. But when I think of places, most of what I care about is subjective. Google has stumbled with Orkut and Wave and Buzz, but surely they still intend to break in to the social graph. I see green fields in local, and I wonder if they do too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! My first comment here, but thanks are long overdue for all of the insights you&#8217;ve shared.<br />
I am wondering if the move from LBC to &#8220;Places&#8221; and some of the other changes you describe are part of a larger effort to differentiate fact-based local content from subjective and social-local content. Google has been collecting and organizing geo-coded UGC for quite a while now with Google Earth, and is now encouraging more with Places.<br />
When I think of a map, I think mostly of data. But when I think of places, most of what I care about is subjective. Google has stumbled with Orkut and Wave and Buzz, but surely they still intend to break in to the social graph. I see green fields in local, and I wonder if they do too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Hussar

The only sustainable, long term strategy is to focus all of your efforts on one listing per location (and possibly one listing for each lawyer at that location depending on the firms focus). 

Cleaning up strays and dupes focuses strength and complies with Google&#039;s quality guidelines. Why make the effort only to be banned in 6 months?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Hussar</p>
<p>The only sustainable, long term strategy is to focus all of your efforts on one listing per location (and possibly one listing for each lawyer at that location depending on the firms focus). </p>
<p>Cleaning up strays and dupes focuses strength and complies with Google&#8217;s quality guidelines. Why make the effort only to be banned in 6 months?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam

Sorry I missed your post. It got caught up in a slew of spam postings that I am just now clearing out.

I don&#039;t think that InfoUsa and Axciom make most of their money off the web listings...it is a small part of their income. That being said, like mapping, the industry is moving to a low cost, all digital model... and this poses a threat to  their income but more importantly their model. Localeze seems a little better positioned in this whole thing but who knows. Google&#039;s behaviors here could totally wipe out the value that they have created for themselves by giving away for free what has cost something in the past.

The local space is made up of many players...there are multiple and changing dynamics...on the Maps/listing side there is Google and then everyone else. In Social it is still wide open field. 

I see Google leveraging their data by offering it up to a million small companies like they did with their Maps API. This will happen in both local listings (places/maps api) and social (buzz api) &amp; location (lattitude api). Maps then becomes a platform for more than just directions or listings but a local, social, mobile platform that can be used in creative and unknown ways.

Thus Google can compete with the Facebooks and Twitters directly while their many API users can compete in the many many niches that will evolve. 

They followed this model with Maps and now they get more Maps usage via the API than via Maps itself...some of those &quot;niche&quot; players became &quot;real&quot; players ( ie trulia)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p>Sorry I missed your post. It got caught up in a slew of spam postings that I am just now clearing out.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that InfoUsa and Axciom make most of their money off the web listings&#8230;it is a small part of their income. That being said, like mapping, the industry is moving to a low cost, all digital model&#8230; and this poses a threat to  their income but more importantly their model. Localeze seems a little better positioned in this whole thing but who knows. Google&#8217;s behaviors here could totally wipe out the value that they have created for themselves by giving away for free what has cost something in the past.</p>
<p>The local space is made up of many players&#8230;there are multiple and changing dynamics&#8230;on the Maps/listing side there is Google and then everyone else. In Social it is still wide open field. </p>
<p>I see Google leveraging their data by offering it up to a million small companies like they did with their Maps API. This will happen in both local listings (places/maps api) and social (buzz api) &#038; location (lattitude api). Maps then becomes a platform for more than just directions or listings but a local, social, mobile platform that can be used in creative and unknown ways.</p>
<p>Thus Google can compete with the Facebooks and Twitters directly while their many API users can compete in the many many niches that will evolve. </p>
<p>They followed this model with Maps and now they get more Maps usage via the API than via Maps itself&#8230;some of those &#8220;niche&#8221; players became &#8220;real&#8221; players ( ie trulia)</p>
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		<title>By: Google Map - pls help me - Page 2 - DealerRefresh Automotive Technology Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Map - pls help me - Page 2 - DealerRefresh Automotive Technology Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to improve the quality of Map and business listing data to help them improve their own data...  Does the Separation of Google Maps and Google Local Portend a Divorce from infoUSA? &#124; Understanding ...  Also... Google Maps: New Guidelines for Dealing with Multiple Listings &amp; Duplicate Listing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff here Mike.

Any idea what percentage of the data aggregator&#039;s revenue comes from Google directly or indirectly?  Assumming that Google makes their dataset available to the public for free via APIs do you see Yahoo/Bing/Facebook/Yelp/etc willing to use it?  

You are right that the aggregators need to plan for this eventuality but I&#039;m not so certain they&#039;ll disappear entirely. There are enough other players in the local space needing data that may not be willing to source from Google regardless of whether the data quality is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff here Mike.</p>
<p>Any idea what percentage of the data aggregator&#8217;s revenue comes from Google directly or indirectly?  Assumming that Google makes their dataset available to the public for free via APIs do you see Yahoo/Bing/Facebook/Yelp/etc willing to use it?  </p>
<p>You are right that the aggregators need to plan for this eventuality but I&#8217;m not so certain they&#8217;ll disappear entirely. There are enough other players in the local space needing data that may not be willing to source from Google regardless of whether the data quality is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hussar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hussar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike

What are your thoughts on multiple listings.  Our law firm has a unique situation where we&#039;ve been in business for 27 years, we currently have 35 offices in 3 different states, we have different consumer phone numbers for each office, we&#039;ve moved certain office locations to new locations in the same area several times, we have several active sites that we drive traffic to, have several active sites that we don&#039;t drive traffic to, and we have a ton of obsolete information that is out there without us controlling it.  All the claiming that we&#039;re doing is resulting in having redudant listings for offices and in some instances we really have 4, 5, sometimes 6 different listings with varying titles that all share the same phone number.  I can&#039;t think that Google wants all this redundancy.  I&#039;m thinking that we should get it down to one listing per office, total, to give us the best chance at placing well in local/places/maps as well as traditional organic with our targeted vague topic searches.  I just want to see if my thoughts are correct and if so, what listing should we try to keep?  Lets say that the one I currently control comes up on page 3 but there is an unclaimed orphan on page 1 with outdated info.  Is it better to update the better placing orphan after claiming it and then delete the first one I possessed, or does it even matter?   Also, what if we don&#039;t control the listing, but the listing is indicated as owner-verified?  Is there a way to gain control of that listing, even though it&#039;s indicated to already be in control?  

I know, I know....short question, but I only ask because it looks like you&#039;d have a good answer for me.  

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on multiple listings.  Our law firm has a unique situation where we&#8217;ve been in business for 27 years, we currently have 35 offices in 3 different states, we have different consumer phone numbers for each office, we&#8217;ve moved certain office locations to new locations in the same area several times, we have several active sites that we drive traffic to, have several active sites that we don&#8217;t drive traffic to, and we have a ton of obsolete information that is out there without us controlling it.  All the claiming that we&#8217;re doing is resulting in having redudant listings for offices and in some instances we really have 4, 5, sometimes 6 different listings with varying titles that all share the same phone number.  I can&#8217;t think that Google wants all this redundancy.  I&#8217;m thinking that we should get it down to one listing per office, total, to give us the best chance at placing well in local/places/maps as well as traditional organic with our targeted vague topic searches.  I just want to see if my thoughts are correct and if so, what listing should we try to keep?  Lets say that the one I currently control comes up on page 3 but there is an unclaimed orphan on page 1 with outdated info.  Is it better to update the better placing orphan after claiming it and then delete the first one I possessed, or does it even matter?   Also, what if we don&#8217;t control the listing, but the listing is indicated as owner-verified?  Is there a way to gain control of that listing, even though it&#8217;s indicated to already be in control?  </p>
<p>I know, I know&#8230;.short question, but I only ask because it looks like you&#8217;d have a good answer for me.  </p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Places data will continue to move into Maps as well as move into any environment in the future much like now the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/10/08/google-maps-one-data-ring-to-rule-them-all/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;same data set goes&lt;/a&gt; to Goog-411, SMS, Earth, Maps etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Places data will continue to move into Maps as well as move into any environment in the future much like now the <a href="http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/10/08/google-maps-one-data-ring-to-rule-them-all/">same data set goes</a> to Goog-411, SMS, Earth, Maps etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the separation of Maps and Local do you think there will be a need to submit feeds to both?
I envision Places taking on services such as Yelp. If Google ever removes the no-index from their Places pages they could dominate SERPS across engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the separation of Maps and Local do you think there will be a need to submit feeds to both?<br />
I envision Places taking on services such as Yelp. If Google ever removes the no-index from their Places pages they could dominate SERPS across engines.</p>
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