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	<title>Comments on: NZ Florist Facing 7 Years for Hijacking Local Listings of Competitors in GMaps</title>
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		<title>By: Where did my Google local business map listing go?</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-475090</link>
		<dc:creator>Where did my Google local business map listing go?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2. Note the address on the web site does not match the address or phone number in Google&#8217;s local listing.  This is indicative of a hijacked listing. Incidentally, it was reported recently that the first criminal conviction has resulted from this practice and the hijacker is facing 7 years in prison (see: http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-...) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2. Note the address on the web site does not match the address or phone number in Google&#8217;s local listing.  This is indicative of a hijacked listing. Incidentally, it was reported recently that the first criminal conviction has resulted from this practice and the hijacker is facing 7 years in prison (see: http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-&#8230;) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WF</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-454546</link>
		<dc:creator>WF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old  technique, new tricks.

Used to be domain hijacking, now it&#039;s this.

I don&#039;t think the day will come when  technology defeats human ingenuity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old  technique, new tricks.</p>
<p>Used to be domain hijacking, now it&#8217;s this.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the day will come when  technology defeats human ingenuity!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Y</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-450752</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A spamer tatic that is fairly common is to list names on addresses that are already on Google Local, and use different phone numbers.  

I&#039;ve had 23 spam listings for my address or business name alone. Some with my business name and address, some with another business name, and my address.   By asking for verifacation on this scam listings at LBC, for those listings that use my address I get a postcard and I can claim and then delete the listing.  

Recently I added a new listing with a different name, and within a month the same name was listed with a different address and contact info.  Not sure how I&#039;ll go about changing or claiming that local listing. 

Spammers remain a moving target...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A spamer tatic that is fairly common is to list names on addresses that are already on Google Local, and use different phone numbers.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had 23 spam listings for my address or business name alone. Some with my business name and address, some with another business name, and my address.   By asking for verifacation on this scam listings at LBC, for those listings that use my address I get a postcard and I can claim and then delete the listing.  </p>
<p>Recently I added a new listing with a different name, and within a month the same name was listed with a different address and contact info.  Not sure how I&#8217;ll go about changing or claiming that local listing. </p>
<p>Spammers remain a moving target&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-450640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Micheal

The tactics used by this florist in NZ were strictly rookie kinds of behaviors that only would work against unsophisticated business owners who had not yet claimed their listings.

It is unclear whether the actions of the company that your client was dealing with were unethical or not. Without some analysis that would be difficult to determine. In my opinion not money well spent. It would make more sense to spend the money creating a sustainable presence online.

I would however suggest that choosing an ethical professional in the local search field requires no less due diligence than choosing an ethical provider in any field. A place to start that search is &lt;a href=&quot;http://getlisted.org/resources/trustedproviders.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Getlisted.org&#039;s list of trusted local search providers&lt;/a&gt;. There are certainly a number of operations that use tactics that are less than appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Micheal</p>
<p>The tactics used by this florist in NZ were strictly rookie kinds of behaviors that only would work against unsophisticated business owners who had not yet claimed their listings.</p>
<p>It is unclear whether the actions of the company that your client was dealing with were unethical or not. Without some analysis that would be difficult to determine. In my opinion not money well spent. It would make more sense to spend the money creating a sustainable presence online.</p>
<p>I would however suggest that choosing an ethical professional in the local search field requires no less due diligence than choosing an ethical provider in any field. A place to start that search is <a href="http://getlisted.org/resources/trustedproviders.aspx">Getlisted.org&#8217;s list of trusted local search providers</a>. There are certainly a number of operations that use tactics that are less than appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-450632</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a client that was using a monthly fee based business to put his Google LBL in the first page results for the term &quot;bankruptcy attorney jacksonville fl&quot;. The company was charging him $200 per month to do this. After consideration, he decided to stop with the service-and almost immediately noticed that his listing was removed from Google SERP&#039;s on the local map results. My guess is that this company utilized some of the tactics detailed on this blog post and comments, to sabotage this customer. My advise to local businesses is to NOT use a monthly fee based company in optimizing your listing, as there is not monthly work that goes into doing it. If you use someone at all, use someone that will charge a one time fee, and turn ALL future updating over to the business owner. By the way, it&#039;s not nice to scam a lawyer. They know how to sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a client that was using a monthly fee based business to put his Google LBL in the first page results for the term &#8220;bankruptcy attorney jacksonville fl&#8221;. The company was charging him $200 per month to do this. After consideration, he decided to stop with the service-and almost immediately noticed that his listing was removed from Google SERP&#8217;s on the local map results. My guess is that this company utilized some of the tactics detailed on this blog post and comments, to sabotage this customer. My advise to local businesses is to NOT use a monthly fee based company in optimizing your listing, as there is not monthly work that goes into doing it. If you use someone at all, use someone that will charge a one time fee, and turn ALL future updating over to the business owner. By the way, it&#8217;s not nice to scam a lawyer. They know how to sue.</p>
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		<title>By: What Location3 is Reading 12.18.09 &#124; expertSEM</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-450312</link>
		<dc:creator>What Location3 is Reading 12.18.09 &#124; expertSEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Think it’s harmless fun to change contact information on Google Maps for random businesses? Think again. A florist in New Zealand could get seven years in the hoosegow for using Google’s community edit feature to change contact info for one of her local competitors. Learn more about this woman who “edited with ill intent” on Understanding Google Maps and Local Search. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Think it’s harmless fun to change contact information on Google Maps for random businesses? Think again. A florist in New Zealand could get seven years in the hoosegow for using Google’s community edit feature to change contact info for one of her local competitors. Learn more about this woman who “edited with ill intent” on Understanding Google Maps and Local Search. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-449117</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chrales
&quot;Is this Accurate&quot; is a lightweight, quick piece of info that Google is gathering to help them triangulate both listing accuracy and map accuracy....They have three layers of user generated content for business listings- &quot;Is this Accurate&quot;, Community Edits &amp; the LBC. They have several for Maps accuracy. They match all of that against scraped and purchased information so that the algo can make assessments about which information is accurate and current. 

&quot;Is this Accurate&quot;  is a new feature so we don&#039;t know how Google relies on it versus the many other signals that they look at and what sort of measures they have put in place to prevent fraud. 

@Ryan
Quality issues, including hijackings, have plagued Maps since day one, over 4 years ago. While it may be a priority, they have not really applied the time and energy necessary to wrestle the whole problem to the ground. Glen&#039;s comments are indicative of that. The locksmith issues have been on-going in Maps now for almost two years. So while I laud their focus, I will respect their results. good luck on your new blog.

@John
John, it started in the US and even with the experience Google garnered here they were unable or unwilling to change their user generated content system enough to prevent it from happening elsewhere in much the same way when they rolled out the capability elsewhere. See Glen&#039;s comment for proof that is has been around in the US

@Glenn
Are you seeing the bad results just in SD? Statewide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chrales<br />
&#8220;Is this Accurate&#8221; is a lightweight, quick piece of info that Google is gathering to help them triangulate both listing accuracy and map accuracy&#8230;.They have three layers of user generated content for business listings- &#8220;Is this Accurate&#8221;, Community Edits &#038; the LBC. They have several for Maps accuracy. They match all of that against scraped and purchased information so that the algo can make assessments about which information is accurate and current. </p>
<p>&#8220;Is this Accurate&#8221;  is a new feature so we don&#8217;t know how Google relies on it versus the many other signals that they look at and what sort of measures they have put in place to prevent fraud. </p>
<p>@Ryan<br />
Quality issues, including hijackings, have plagued Maps since day one, over 4 years ago. While it may be a priority, they have not really applied the time and energy necessary to wrestle the whole problem to the ground. Glen&#8217;s comments are indicative of that. The locksmith issues have been on-going in Maps now for almost two years. So while I laud their focus, I will respect their results. good luck on your new blog.</p>
<p>@John<br />
John, it started in the US and even with the experience Google garnered here they were unable or unwilling to change their user generated content system enough to prevent it from happening elsewhere in much the same way when they rolled out the capability elsewhere. See Glen&#8217;s comment for proof that is has been around in the US</p>
<p>@Glenn<br />
Are you seeing the bad results just in SD? Statewide?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Younger</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-449068</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other ways to Highjack? 

Not sure if there was another Google change in the last few days, as the spam and highjack crowd just got everything back.  In my little corner of the world, we dropped off the map again on Friday night.  Local search for us had been good for 4 weeks, after months (years?) of being overwhelmed with spam.  

This recent change has a few spam folks rising back onto the Map, and we are off local altogether, making me wonder about other ways to highjack besides editing the local listing?  

The Google local search  for &quot;Locksmith San Diego&quot; is at 65% spam or fraudulent addresses.  For 4 weeks we were at 10% spam, so I was thinking Google had a little jump on the black hats.  
False hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other ways to Highjack? </p>
<p>Not sure if there was another Google change in the last few days, as the spam and highjack crowd just got everything back.  In my little corner of the world, we dropped off the map again on Friday night.  Local search for us had been good for 4 weeks, after months (years?) of being overwhelmed with spam.  </p>
<p>This recent change has a few spam folks rising back onto the Map, and we are off local altogether, making me wonder about other ways to highjack besides editing the local listing?  </p>
<p>The Google local search  for &#8220;Locksmith San Diego&#8221; is at 65% spam or fraudulent addresses.  For 4 weeks we were at 10% spam, so I was thinking Google had a little jump on the black hats.<br />
False hope.</p>
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		<title>By: John jacobson</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-449020</link>
		<dc:creator>John jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we we see this starting in the us? It will be a great day when it does!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we we see this starting in the us? It will be a great day when it does!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Pitylak</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/12/11/nz-florist-facing-7-years-for-hijacking-local-gmaps-listings-of-competitors/comment-page-1/#comment-448948</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Pitylak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hijacking is a major concern for Google.  I spoke with one of the Google Local reps (Jen) at SMX West last year and we discussed how this is really Google&#039;s #1 focus when it comes to fixing Local, which is great.  As with all SEO, it&#039;s tough to compete with companies who are not willing to play by the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hijacking is a major concern for Google.  I spoke with one of the Google Local reps (Jen) at SMX West last year and we discussed how this is really Google&#8217;s #1 focus when it comes to fixing Local, which is great.  As with all SEO, it&#8217;s tough to compete with companies who are not willing to play by the rules.</p>
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