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	<title>Comments on: Federal Bust of Dependable Locksmith in Florida Strikes at Heart of National Locksmith Scams</title>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to Dependable still being in business. Based on information and belief they still are. Some of these phonys and I believe Dependable also which uses tons of names to hide behind are just shell corporations that are set up to hide behind. Dependable was once Priceline and when authoritys got to close It suddenly became Dependable aka all the other names that are out there. They claimed they purchased the assets of Priceline even though they were using all the Priceline Phonelines with phony addresses attached and they still acted if they had done nothing wrong. I believe they are still in business. I actually think that David Peer and the other ones busted are only front men for someone much bigger from Israel. One of the articles mentioned that money was being sent to a real estate in Israel. Just to let everyone here know I was sued by David Peer for 1,000,000.00 basically for being a whisle blower and exposing this phony locksmith scam early in the game. This lawsuit was a pack of lies and twisted truth. The federal Judge has dismissed me from the lawsuit But a few state of Illinois officials are still involved. I dont expect the lawsuit to win in any way but everyone is going thru hell defending themselves. One thing Dependable did was to scare of state officials from persuing them in fear of they might get sued. I personaly hope David Peer rots in prison. The last I heard he was extradited from florida to Missouri. This is by far not the end of the problem. The people at the top need to be dealt with. Just like I believe they are, Organized Crime. It is hard to get to the top of the ladder when you deal with organized crime. There are layers of protection and no one talks. They need to follow the money.

One thing I believe might quell this problems is to hold all advertisors responsible. Yes, Charge them with aiding and abedding. It can be done especially in the states that are licensed. The licensed states would only have to prove that they were enabling unlicensed individuals and companys break the law, and in unlicensed states it would be a little harderer because one would have to prove much more. I am one that is not a big fan of licensing but I do recognize it as a tool for enforcement. If you ever noticed all of the phonys advertise they are licensed when truly they are not. Even where licensing is not required they say they are licensed.

Anyway the Bust of these Few what I consider total sleaze bags is really nothind as I believe they are only lower level pawns. The money being made is mind boggling. I dont have an exact figure but I believe it is probably hundreds of millions by now nationwide and collectively.

Google needs to address this problem as they are taking money from these types of companys also. Google run-local locksmith the 29.00 service locksmith that does not charge 29.00 locksmith service but much more. They will not give an exact quote and suprise the victim/consummer of the real charge many times after they do an opening. In Northern Illinois they are the top google sponsored ad in every community. Is Google responsible? I say yes. Will they Listen? I think a class action lawsuit will do the trick. I know that this is already being discussed between some attorneys who are licking their chops.

This is far from over and like a forest fire every ember of this problem needs to be doused. To the ones out there who are actively fighting this please keep up the good work.

Mike Bronzell
Keyman424@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to Dependable still being in business. Based on information and belief they still are. Some of these phonys and I believe Dependable also which uses tons of names to hide behind are just shell corporations that are set up to hide behind. Dependable was once Priceline and when authoritys got to close It suddenly became Dependable aka all the other names that are out there. They claimed they purchased the assets of Priceline even though they were using all the Priceline Phonelines with phony addresses attached and they still acted if they had done nothing wrong. I believe they are still in business. I actually think that David Peer and the other ones busted are only front men for someone much bigger from Israel. One of the articles mentioned that money was being sent to a real estate in Israel. Just to let everyone here know I was sued by David Peer for 1,000,000.00 basically for being a whisle blower and exposing this phony locksmith scam early in the game. This lawsuit was a pack of lies and twisted truth. The federal Judge has dismissed me from the lawsuit But a few state of Illinois officials are still involved. I dont expect the lawsuit to win in any way but everyone is going thru hell defending themselves. One thing Dependable did was to scare of state officials from persuing them in fear of they might get sued. I personaly hope David Peer rots in prison. The last I heard he was extradited from florida to Missouri. This is by far not the end of the problem. The people at the top need to be dealt with. Just like I believe they are, Organized Crime. It is hard to get to the top of the ladder when you deal with organized crime. There are layers of protection and no one talks. They need to follow the money.</p>
<p>One thing I believe might quell this problems is to hold all advertisors responsible. Yes, Charge them with aiding and abedding. It can be done especially in the states that are licensed. The licensed states would only have to prove that they were enabling unlicensed individuals and companys break the law, and in unlicensed states it would be a little harderer because one would have to prove much more. I am one that is not a big fan of licensing but I do recognize it as a tool for enforcement. If you ever noticed all of the phonys advertise they are licensed when truly they are not. Even where licensing is not required they say they are licensed.</p>
<p>Anyway the Bust of these Few what I consider total sleaze bags is really nothind as I believe they are only lower level pawns. The money being made is mind boggling. I dont have an exact figure but I believe it is probably hundreds of millions by now nationwide and collectively.</p>
<p>Google needs to address this problem as they are taking money from these types of companys also. Google run-local locksmith the 29.00 service locksmith that does not charge 29.00 locksmith service but much more. They will not give an exact quote and suprise the victim/consummer of the real charge many times after they do an opening. In Northern Illinois they are the top google sponsored ad in every community. Is Google responsible? I say yes. Will they Listen? I think a class action lawsuit will do the trick. I know that this is already being discussed between some attorneys who are licking their chops.</p>
<p>This is far from over and like a forest fire every ember of this problem needs to be doused. To the ones out there who are actively fighting this please keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Mike Bronzell<br />
<a href="mailto:Keyman424@aol.com">Keyman424@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elle Wood</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/11/05/federal-bust-of-dependable-locksmith-in-florida-strikes-at-heart-of-locksmith-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-461852</link>
		<dc:creator>Elle Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is sad is that we lose more and more freedom as the government gains and takes more of that freedom from us. The other side of the coin is that people behaving like this leaves no room for doubt as to why they take it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is sad is that we lose more and more freedom as the government gains and takes more of that freedom from us. The other side of the coin is that people behaving like this leaves no room for doubt as to why they take it away.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bronzell</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/11/05/federal-bust-of-dependable-locksmith-in-florida-strikes-at-heart-of-locksmith-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-461755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bronzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike in regards to a statement you made in this post, you refered to a local problem becoming a national problem. I just wanted to say this has always been a national problem. It was us locals that discovered it. These national companys that in my educated opinion are nothing more than Israeli based organized crime rings. They did this in the flower business and in the moving business and other things such as carpet cleaners etc.
Im sure you are aware of the arrest of David Peer and two other of his associates by federal authoritys. Charges if I am not mistaken are Money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, and even structuring a business that used workers from Israel without having work visas.
Anyway I just want to point out that there were no serious problems in the locksmith industry until these thugs came along. They now pratically own the internet and have created illeagle unfair competition as most real locksmiths dont have the means or knowledge to compete. Most locksmiths are too honest to stoop to all the shenanigans that these national companys are causing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike in regards to a statement you made in this post, you refered to a local problem becoming a national problem. I just wanted to say this has always been a national problem. It was us locals that discovered it. These national companys that in my educated opinion are nothing more than Israeli based organized crime rings. They did this in the flower business and in the moving business and other things such as carpet cleaners etc.<br />
Im sure you are aware of the arrest of David Peer and two other of his associates by federal authoritys. Charges if I am not mistaken are Money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, and even structuring a business that used workers from Israel without having work visas.<br />
Anyway I just want to point out that there were no serious problems in the locksmith industry until these thugs came along. They now pratically own the internet and have created illeagle unfair competition as most real locksmiths dont have the means or knowledge to compete. Most locksmiths are too honest to stoop to all the shenanigans that these national companys are causing.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the funny part was how customers use to think they were calling their local locksmitgh but it was somehow being routed to this office no matter what state,city or town you called from.what a scam!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the funny part was how customers use to think they were calling their local locksmitgh but it was somehow being routed to this office no matter what state,city or town you called from.what a scam!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/11/05/federal-bust-of-dependable-locksmith-in-florida-strikes-at-heart-of-locksmith-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-454321</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the owners of this company are in iseal but their famaly and jewish friends run it and treat their employees as if they were in the iseali army or something promoting jewish kids that just come in rite away over poeple that worked for them for a while. hahaha to this company &quot;GOD DOES NOT LIKE UGLY&quot; i&#039;m glad you were  finally caught</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the owners of this company are in iseal but their famaly and jewish friends run it and treat their employees as if they were in the iseali army or something promoting jewish kids that just come in rite away over poeple that worked for them for a while. hahaha to this company &#8220;GOD DOES NOT LIKE UGLY&#8221; i&#8217;m glad you were  finally caught</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use to work for this company in riverdale ny and i always complained to management because of the type of complaints we would receive. Management did not care that our techs were ruining peoples cars and homes. i finally quit the company before they moved to florida but this israelie owned company was owned by a bunch of crooks that only focused on how much money that can milk the public. So if a tech ever comes to your house and hardley knows any english you should worry!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use to work for this company in riverdale ny and i always complained to management because of the type of complaints we would receive. Management did not care that our techs were ruining peoples cars and homes. i finally quit the company before they moved to florida but this israelie owned company was owned by a bunch of crooks that only focused on how much money that can milk the public. So if a tech ever comes to your house and hardley knows any english you should worry!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zossimos</title>
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		<dc:creator>zossimos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the &quot;$25 Locksmith&quot; and $29 Locksmith&quot; ads in Google&#039;s &quot;Sponsored Links&quot;…

If you call any of those companies, you&#039;ll find they are still quoting what Dependable and the spin-offs have been quoting for a long while: &quot;$39 for the service fee, and $15 or more for the labor&quot;. When the customer responds, &quot;But what about the $29 I&#039;m seeing on Google?&quot; then they drop that &quot;service fee&quot; by $10. So now it sounds like at least you got a $10 break, and it&#039;s still cheaper than &quot;those other locksmiths&quot; (those &quot;expensive guys&quot; that are honestly naming their flat rate… and who are, ironically, actually the much cheaper guys). 

Regardless of calling themselves &quot;&quot;$25 Locksmith&quot;, the overall charge is in the end still $100 or more.

People really need to pay more attention to what&#039;s said on the phone. The scammers are never going away. So it&#039;s up to the consumers to be more pro-active by listening closer and thinking it through. In fact, even these news stories get it wrong. The scammers don&#039;t say $54 and then &quot;overcharge&quot; as the news reporters keep reporting. They say, &quot;$39 for the service fee, and $15 or more for the labor&quot;. That sounds like it adds up to $54 -- IF you&#039;re not paying attention to the most important part of what just got said. Which is the &quot;or more&quot; part of it. And most people miss the implication of that, somehow. 

Almost daily I get a customer who turns my flat fee of $60 down, because he&#039;s going to go with the &quot;cheaper locksmith&quot; who quoted him, in effect, &quot;Somewhere between $54 and infinity&quot;. Or because he&#039;s going to go with the $25 guy in Google&#039;s sponsored links who quotes him (in effect), &quot;Somewhere between $40 and infinity&quot;. 

The scam is easy to avoid. Just get a total price. Don&#039;t deal in approximates. Then hold the locksmith to it (preferably in writing before he touches your car). Last week a guy complained to me, &quot;That other guy I called said it&#039;d be somewhere between $40 and $95!&quot; So, that particular scammer did actually name his full price. Problem was, as the customer himself explained: &quot;I assumed it would just be $40! After all, it&#039;s a Chevy not a Rolls Royce!&quot; So it wasn&#039;t an issue an overcharging so much an issue of misleading the customer. The customer didn&#039;t understand why he&#039;d been given a price range. He was told it had to do with the difficulty of the car, and customers tend to assume that inexpensive cars are the easier cars (which isn&#039;t necessarily true). They are not wanting to show up and assess the car, the way they lead customers to believe. They want to show up and assess YOU. At the very least, they intend to leave with that &quot;service fee&quot; for having just showed up. They have the customer on a recording saying &quot;Yes&quot; to their &quot;$29&quot; or &quot;$39 service fee&quot; and they think it&#039;s their legal right to collect on that (in spite of the fact that nothing else they said was forthright enough to be honest, which I think legally would nullify any agreement made on the phone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the &#8220;$25 Locksmith&#8221; and $29 Locksmith&#8221; ads in Google&#8217;s &#8220;Sponsored Links&#8221;…</p>
<p>If you call any of those companies, you&#8217;ll find they are still quoting what Dependable and the spin-offs have been quoting for a long while: &#8220;$39 for the service fee, and $15 or more for the labor&#8221;. When the customer responds, &#8220;But what about the $29 I&#8217;m seeing on Google?&#8221; then they drop that &#8220;service fee&#8221; by $10. So now it sounds like at least you got a $10 break, and it&#8217;s still cheaper than &#8220;those other locksmiths&#8221; (those &#8220;expensive guys&#8221; that are honestly naming their flat rate… and who are, ironically, actually the much cheaper guys). </p>
<p>Regardless of calling themselves &#8220;&#8221;$25 Locksmith&#8221;, the overall charge is in the end still $100 or more.</p>
<p>People really need to pay more attention to what&#8217;s said on the phone. The scammers are never going away. So it&#8217;s up to the consumers to be more pro-active by listening closer and thinking it through. In fact, even these news stories get it wrong. The scammers don&#8217;t say $54 and then &#8220;overcharge&#8221; as the news reporters keep reporting. They say, &#8220;$39 for the service fee, and $15 or more for the labor&#8221;. That sounds like it adds up to $54 &#8212; IF you&#8217;re not paying attention to the most important part of what just got said. Which is the &#8220;or more&#8221; part of it. And most people miss the implication of that, somehow. </p>
<p>Almost daily I get a customer who turns my flat fee of $60 down, because he&#8217;s going to go with the &#8220;cheaper locksmith&#8221; who quoted him, in effect, &#8220;Somewhere between $54 and infinity&#8221;. Or because he&#8217;s going to go with the $25 guy in Google&#8217;s sponsored links who quotes him (in effect), &#8220;Somewhere between $40 and infinity&#8221;. </p>
<p>The scam is easy to avoid. Just get a total price. Don&#8217;t deal in approximates. Then hold the locksmith to it (preferably in writing before he touches your car). Last week a guy complained to me, &#8220;That other guy I called said it&#8217;d be somewhere between $40 and $95!&#8221; So, that particular scammer did actually name his full price. Problem was, as the customer himself explained: &#8220;I assumed it would just be $40! After all, it&#8217;s a Chevy not a Rolls Royce!&#8221; So it wasn&#8217;t an issue an overcharging so much an issue of misleading the customer. The customer didn&#8217;t understand why he&#8217;d been given a price range. He was told it had to do with the difficulty of the car, and customers tend to assume that inexpensive cars are the easier cars (which isn&#8217;t necessarily true). They are not wanting to show up and assess the car, the way they lead customers to believe. They want to show up and assess YOU. At the very least, they intend to leave with that &#8220;service fee&#8221; for having just showed up. They have the customer on a recording saying &#8220;Yes&#8221; to their &#8220;$29&#8243; or &#8220;$39 service fee&#8221; and they think it&#8217;s their legal right to collect on that (in spite of the fact that nothing else they said was forthright enough to be honest, which I think legally would nullify any agreement made on the phone).</p>
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		<title>By: zossimos</title>
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		<dc:creator>zossimos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PureSheer wrote: &quot;NO company in the industry charging $25/ $29 for the service, neither do Dependable (if you know what I mean).&quot;

No the &quot;$25 Locksmith&quot; and &quot;$29 Locksmith&quot; stuff is just their &quot;service fee&quot;. It&#039;s deceptive advertising.

As Google reacted to an Attorney General who reacted some years after people started reporting this stuff, I wouldn&#039;t expect Google to catch on to the deceptive Sponsored Links any time soon. You have to call the people to know that they&#039;re screwing customers. You can&#039;t judge just by what their spamming strategy is, or by whether their address is a brick-n-mortar shop or not.

I don&#039;t know if Dependable is alive and kicking. But I do know there are several other companies out there. They&#039;re not just the long lists of phone numbers with weird business names and fake addresses. They&#039;re also moneyed-enough to buy full page ads in the yellow pages, and sponsored links on Google. Those are the guys still taking the most calls from the most customers and ripping them off. Via deceptive advertising, not just deceptive price quotes on the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PureSheer wrote: &#8220;NO company in the industry charging $25/ $29 for the service, neither do Dependable (if you know what I mean).&#8221;</p>
<p>No the &#8220;$25 Locksmith&#8221; and &#8220;$29 Locksmith&#8221; stuff is just their &#8220;service fee&#8221;. It&#8217;s deceptive advertising.</p>
<p>As Google reacted to an Attorney General who reacted some years after people started reporting this stuff, I wouldn&#8217;t expect Google to catch on to the deceptive Sponsored Links any time soon. You have to call the people to know that they&#8217;re screwing customers. You can&#8217;t judge just by what their spamming strategy is, or by whether their address is a brick-n-mortar shop or not.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Dependable is alive and kicking. But I do know there are several other companies out there. They&#8217;re not just the long lists of phone numbers with weird business names and fake addresses. They&#8217;re also moneyed-enough to buy full page ads in the yellow pages, and sponsored links on Google. Those are the guys still taking the most calls from the most customers and ripping them off. Via deceptive advertising, not just deceptive price quotes on the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,
&amp; Google is doing good money from that in Adwords &amp; learning even more from that in the Maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,<br />
&amp; Google is doing good money from that in Adwords &amp; learning even more from that in the Maps.</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depandable&#039;s sites, listings, ads, phone #s, call centers, etc.. are alive &amp; kicking. They are operating out of the states.

Google cleaned the Maps good (I&#039;d scored it 6.5 out of 10). PPC is still widely polluted.

NO company in the industry charging $25/ $29 for the service, neither do Dependable (if you know what I mean).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depandable&#8217;s sites, listings, ads, phone #s, call centers, etc.. are alive &amp; kicking. They are operating out of the states.</p>
<p>Google cleaned the Maps good (I&#8217;d scored it 6.5 out of 10). PPC is still widely polluted.</p>
<p>NO company in the industry charging $25/ $29 for the service, neither do Dependable (if you know what I mean).</p>
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