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		<title>By: ct bartending school</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-409114</link>
		<dc:creator>ct bartending school</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your commentary.  The lack of responsiveness is dispiriting.  We operate several brick and mortar businesses of several types; all with websites.  The above is one of them.

Recently there have been a growing number of problems that our business websites face as it relates to Google Maps.  We aren&#039;t asking Google to rank our sites first.  We are simply attempting to get seen within Maps and get correct information out to the public.

The problems range from dashboards that don&#039;t work, to inability to upload pictures into the various LBC&#039;s on behalf of these businesses, to being strangely miscategorized, without explanation, to wrong data being presented.  It varies from business to business.

I appreciate this forum for the feedback and suggestions it offers.  Strangely Google doesn&#039;t do the same.  The sad fact is that the mistakes are occurring in Google Maps, not in this forum.

How strange that I have to express these frustrations here rather than in Google Maps, who, were they to react professionally, would address my concerns.

Instead, they either ignore my concerns, along those of other business operators, allow other people to comment on the issues, and/or create some crazy button indicating as to whether or not another reader feels &quot;an answer has been given&quot;.

As someone who has requested assistance within Google Maps in the past on behalf of a variety of businesses I can state I&#039;ve never received an answer from Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your commentary.  The lack of responsiveness is dispiriting.  We operate several brick and mortar businesses of several types; all with websites.  The above is one of them.</p>
<p>Recently there have been a growing number of problems that our business websites face as it relates to Google Maps.  We aren&#8217;t asking Google to rank our sites first.  We are simply attempting to get seen within Maps and get correct information out to the public.</p>
<p>The problems range from dashboards that don&#8217;t work, to inability to upload pictures into the various LBC&#8217;s on behalf of these businesses, to being strangely miscategorized, without explanation, to wrong data being presented.  It varies from business to business.</p>
<p>I appreciate this forum for the feedback and suggestions it offers.  Strangely Google doesn&#8217;t do the same.  The sad fact is that the mistakes are occurring in Google Maps, not in this forum.</p>
<p>How strange that I have to express these frustrations here rather than in Google Maps, who, were they to react professionally, would address my concerns.</p>
<p>Instead, they either ignore my concerns, along those of other business operators, allow other people to comment on the issues, and/or create some crazy button indicating as to whether or not another reader feels &#8220;an answer has been given&#8221;.</p>
<p>As someone who has requested assistance within Google Maps in the past on behalf of a variety of businesses I can state I&#8217;ve never received an answer from Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Postings in Google Maps Forums Skyrocket &#187; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postings in Google Maps Forums Skyrocket &#187; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rising tide of unsupported problems in the Maps world reflects a similar problem for Google. Only time will tell if Google&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-399133</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as I have noted previously Google has $201,000 net profit per employee vs. Yahoo&#039;s $32,000 (see this &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/137968-profit-per-employee-google-earns-210k-yahoo-just-32k&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;seekingalpha blog post&lt;/a&gt;. Some of that is due to better technology, some of it due to focus but in the end if Yahoo doesn&#039;t become just as profitable then capital will all flow away from them and towards Google. 

Up to this point, Google&#039;s way (high tech power, low people power) has dominated. Whether that will continue to be the case in local remains to be seen. 

If Local is different than Google will fail. If Local is basically the same as organic they will succeed. 

Obviously bringing near monopoly position to the battle gives them a huge advantage at the game start but if their actions are  ultimately counter to the market&#039;s real needs and interests, there will be either public or governmental push back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as I have noted previously Google has $201,000 net profit per employee vs. Yahoo&#8217;s $32,000 (see this <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/137968-profit-per-employee-google-earns-210k-yahoo-just-32k">seekingalpha blog post</a>. Some of that is due to better technology, some of it due to focus but in the end if Yahoo doesn&#8217;t become just as profitable then capital will all flow away from them and towards Google. </p>
<p>Up to this point, Google&#8217;s way (high tech power, low people power) has dominated. Whether that will continue to be the case in local remains to be seen. </p>
<p>If Local is different than Google will fail. If Local is basically the same as organic they will succeed. </p>
<p>Obviously bringing near monopoly position to the battle gives them a huge advantage at the game start but if their actions are  ultimately counter to the market&#8217;s real needs and interests, there will be either public or governmental push back</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe I somehow missed this post, Mike. 

PureSheer...many of us have felt the shock of having Yahoo pick up the phone or send us a personal email after the mind-numbing experience of dealing with Google&#039;s opacity. Yahoo is coming off as far more people-centric than Google because of this.

The only problem is...they don&#039;t get Google&#039;s traffic, so we keep having to play in Google&#039;s ballpark. Still, it&#039;s nice to know Yahoo cares!

Robert...your remarks regarding Google&#039;s possible unpreparedness for the avalanche that is Local are very illuminating. I hadn&#039;t thought of this before. It&#039;s true, definitely, that Google has launched applications that failed to become big. Could they have thought this might be the case with Local? Interesting thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I somehow missed this post, Mike. </p>
<p>PureSheer&#8230;many of us have felt the shock of having Yahoo pick up the phone or send us a personal email after the mind-numbing experience of dealing with Google&#8217;s opacity. Yahoo is coming off as far more people-centric than Google because of this.</p>
<p>The only problem is&#8230;they don&#8217;t get Google&#8217;s traffic, so we keep having to play in Google&#8217;s ballpark. Still, it&#8217;s nice to know Yahoo cares!</p>
<p>Robert&#8230;your remarks regarding Google&#8217;s possible unpreparedness for the avalanche that is Local are very illuminating. I hadn&#8217;t thought of this before. It&#8217;s true, definitely, that Google has launched applications that failed to become big. Could they have thought this might be the case with Local? Interesting thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-399040</link>
		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert 

I&#039;ll be happy to give some tips &amp; basic instructions for you on your Yahoo Local journey.
Not that I’m such an expert, but i know one or two things that can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be happy to give some tips &amp; basic instructions for you on your Yahoo Local journey.<br />
Not that I’m such an expert, but i know one or two things that can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PureSheer: Yahoo is next on our list, as Big Search Engine #2. We hope it&#039;ll go smoothly -- and maybe it will, since revenue sources proably get better customer service than free stuff like Google Local Business Center.

(In the meantime, I&#039;d better sign up for an account here -- I&#039;m being conflated with some other Robert who has also posted comments.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PureSheer: Yahoo is next on our list, as Big Search Engine #2. We hope it&#8217;ll go smoothly &#8212; and maybe it will, since revenue sources proably get better customer service than free stuff like Google Local Business Center.</p>
<p>(In the meantime, I&#8217;d better sign up for an account here &#8212; I&#8217;m being conflated with some other Robert who has also posted comments.)</p>
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		<title>By: PureSheer</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-398953</link>
		<dc:creator>PureSheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all,

I’ll be happy to share some amazing experience that I had with Yahoo Local’s Customers Care-

Not only that they replied my inquiries by email, they even called back to ask a few questions! But it didn&#039;t stopped here! They refund my account with $140 that they accidently charged me for a duplicated Enhanced listing that was active many months without us noticing that!

Oh, Yahoo! I think I’m falling in love! 

THE BEST PART from this issue- They even managed to delete many bad reviews that the spammers planted in our listings &amp; they even deleted all the good reviews that those spammers stuffed to their own listings (BTW- those are the same Mega Spammers Locksmiths from Google Maps).

Isn&#039;t that lovely?!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all,</p>
<p>I’ll be happy to share some amazing experience that I had with Yahoo Local’s Customers Care-</p>
<p>Not only that they replied my inquiries by email, they even called back to ask a few questions! But it didn&#8217;t stopped here! They refund my account with $140 that they accidently charged me for a duplicated Enhanced listing that was active many months without us noticing that!</p>
<p>Oh, Yahoo! I think I’m falling in love! </p>
<p>THE BEST PART from this issue- They even managed to delete many bad reviews that the spammers planted in our listings &amp; they even deleted all the good reviews that those spammers stuffed to their own listings (BTW- those are the same Mega Spammers Locksmiths from Google Maps).</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that lovely?!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-398859</link>
		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point the volume of help requests will far outstrip the capacity of a few helpful souls like Mike. What is the estimate on numbers of local businesses that have even claimed a listing? I know it&#039;s low.

When Maps really gets out there and we see an exponential rise in users (i mean customers) in the forums seeking help, then Google may be forced to do something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point the volume of help requests will far outstrip the capacity of a few helpful souls like Mike. What is the estimate on numbers of local businesses that have even claimed a listing? I know it&#8217;s low.</p>
<p>When Maps really gets out there and we see an exponential rise in users (i mean customers) in the forums seeking help, then Google may be forced to do something better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-398841</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert

I think you are right that Google does think of us all as &quot;users&quot; (and probably as  &quot;users&quot; who would like to manipulate their system) rather than customers.   They sure appear tone deaf though don&#039;t they.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert</p>
<p>I think you are right that Google does think of us all as &#8220;users&#8221; (and probably as  &#8220;users&#8221; who would like to manipulate their system) rather than customers.   They sure appear tone deaf though don&#8217;t they.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/23/why-does-google-have-the-maps-support-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-398836</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Google has the Maps Support Forums because they hope users&#039; experiences will help other users work things out. At this point, it&#039;s a misguided hope, because so many of the reported problems aren&#039;t operator error.

I&#039;ve been having my own adventure with the Local Business Center, and I think the problem there is that Google seriously mis-estimated the amount and type of interest they got in their product. They got a lot more than mom-and-pop shops, and I think they got a lot more response than they were ready for. The lack of any verification method for bulk-uploaded listings is a clear sign that Google didn&#039;t expect a lot of bulk uploads.

(At my company, we bulk-uploaded the data for our 100+ locations, and then discovered we couldn&#039;t verify them or assign coupons to them. We recently deleted all the bulk-uploaded data and keyed it one at a time. We had to spread it across a couple of accounts because you can&#039;t have more than 100 locations in an LBC account -- another serious design-stage mistake.)

As you say, Google is a company of engineers. I think they&#039;re busy trying to fix the underlying problems, but they&#039;re doing in in the classic engineering/computer science way: buckling down, shutting up, and getting to work. The &quot;shutting up&quot; part leaves us customers clueless about what&#039;s going on, and clueless about whether we&#039;ve even been heard.

Deep down, I think Google thinks of us all as &quot;users&quot; rather than &quot;customers,&quot; and changing that view will be to Google&#039;s benefit at least as much as ours.

Maybe Google will hire Mike and/or some other like-minded souls to help out -- maybe the problem is rising to high enough prominence thanks to blog posts like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google has the Maps Support Forums because they hope users&#8217; experiences will help other users work things out. At this point, it&#8217;s a misguided hope, because so many of the reported problems aren&#8217;t operator error.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been having my own adventure with the Local Business Center, and I think the problem there is that Google seriously mis-estimated the amount and type of interest they got in their product. They got a lot more than mom-and-pop shops, and I think they got a lot more response than they were ready for. The lack of any verification method for bulk-uploaded listings is a clear sign that Google didn&#8217;t expect a lot of bulk uploads.</p>
<p>(At my company, we bulk-uploaded the data for our 100+ locations, and then discovered we couldn&#8217;t verify them or assign coupons to them. We recently deleted all the bulk-uploaded data and keyed it one at a time. We had to spread it across a couple of accounts because you can&#8217;t have more than 100 locations in an LBC account &#8212; another serious design-stage mistake.)</p>
<p>As you say, Google is a company of engineers. I think they&#8217;re busy trying to fix the underlying problems, but they&#8217;re doing in in the classic engineering/computer science way: buckling down, shutting up, and getting to work. The &#8220;shutting up&#8221; part leaves us customers clueless about what&#8217;s going on, and clueless about whether we&#8217;ve even been heard.</p>
<p>Deep down, I think Google thinks of us all as &#8220;users&#8221; rather than &#8220;customers,&#8221; and changing that view will be to Google&#8217;s benefit at least as much as ours.</p>
<p>Maybe Google will hire Mike and/or some other like-minded souls to help out &#8212; maybe the problem is rising to high enough prominence thanks to blog posts like this one.</p>
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