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		<title>By: vaibhav</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-492537</link>
		<dc:creator>vaibhav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I need your help 
My Local listing is showing 0 impressions but 47 actions 
Generally impressions are higher than actions
How this thing can be possible please reply me on email</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I need your help<br />
My Local listing is showing 0 impressions but 47 actions<br />
Generally impressions are higher than actions<br />
How this thing can be possible please reply me on email</p>
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		<title>By: Earlpearl</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-476720</link>
		<dc:creator>Earlpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:   This is old news.  Nobody is going to see this but you.  I didn&#039;t think much of the value of the dashboard when it first came out and every so often I see more tidbits that suggests its statistical tool that should be ignored on the aggregate level.  It might provide tiny tidbits of information but the overall package is worthless.

Today I took a look at the 7 day total for a business account with little activity at this time of year.  Amongst the listings in the top ten were 3 references to the name of another business referenced in tiny place within our business site in a manner entirely irrelevant to what drives traffic to our site.  How are we showing in Maps for that phrase.  

I searched by name for that other business in G Maps.  Our reference to this business includes neighborhood name.   There we were in G Maps somewhere in the 30&#039;s or 40&#039;s.  The G maps reference pulled the reference from our website with business and neighborhood name.

Does that have relevance to our efforts to get strong maps presence for phrases that are of value and reflect user intent.  Absolutely not.

How many times in the category in Maps referenced &quot;other&quot; below the top ten references, does our business show for such obscure and unrelated comments.  Is there any analytical benefit to getting this info. Should I take actions based on that?

I think not.

OTOH, I get benefit if I take a look at the major categories for the LBC dashboard, and if I&#039;m running Google Adwords ads with full coverage and exact phrase ads.  Then I can cross reference exact phrase ads against phrases in Google Maps.

When I cross referenced the time period from the dashboard against data from my google adwords account I saw that the total volume of impressions for the exact phrase ad for the what is the number 1 industry term (without a Geo modifier) was about twice the number of impressions for the phrase in the LBC dashboard.   

Then I totaled the number of impressions for the exact phrase PPC ads which include a geo modifier and the term that is number 1 in the industry, which simultaneiously showed as the number #1 volume term in the LBC dashboard.  

It turned out number of impressions in the dashboard closely approximated the aggregate number of impressions for the combination long tail search phrases that include a geo term and the industry number 1 term.

Conclusion:  Google isn&#039;t running versions of Maps for industry terms that don&#039;t include a geo phrase.  They might be running maps for some types of terms.  They aren&#039;t running generating maps for the 50% of searches that don&#039;t include a geo modifier.   

Interesting.  It doesn&#039;t tell me much about how I&#039;m doing in Maps.  It gives me information on when Google is and isn&#039;t running maps and specifically that it isn&#039;t running Universal Search Maps for the search terms without geo modifiers.  

Hmmmm....those maps were a neat experiment during 2009.  They seem to be fading now.  Actually that doesn&#039;t surprise me.  I think for a variety of industries they probably moved searchers looking for local practitioners from hitting local PPC ads to hitting the record/site link associated with the Map.

In any case, I didn&#039;t like the presentation of data in the LBC dashboard last year, and I still don&#039;t think much of it.  I think its greatest value is in cross referencing the limited information it provides with other sources of information such as analytics for your website and/or ppc data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:   This is old news.  Nobody is going to see this but you.  I didn&#8217;t think much of the value of the dashboard when it first came out and every so often I see more tidbits that suggests its statistical tool that should be ignored on the aggregate level.  It might provide tiny tidbits of information but the overall package is worthless.</p>
<p>Today I took a look at the 7 day total for a business account with little activity at this time of year.  Amongst the listings in the top ten were 3 references to the name of another business referenced in tiny place within our business site in a manner entirely irrelevant to what drives traffic to our site.  How are we showing in Maps for that phrase.  </p>
<p>I searched by name for that other business in G Maps.  Our reference to this business includes neighborhood name.   There we were in G Maps somewhere in the 30&#8242;s or 40&#8242;s.  The G maps reference pulled the reference from our website with business and neighborhood name.</p>
<p>Does that have relevance to our efforts to get strong maps presence for phrases that are of value and reflect user intent.  Absolutely not.</p>
<p>How many times in the category in Maps referenced &#8220;other&#8221; below the top ten references, does our business show for such obscure and unrelated comments.  Is there any analytical benefit to getting this info. Should I take actions based on that?</p>
<p>I think not.</p>
<p>OTOH, I get benefit if I take a look at the major categories for the LBC dashboard, and if I&#8217;m running Google Adwords ads with full coverage and exact phrase ads.  Then I can cross reference exact phrase ads against phrases in Google Maps.</p>
<p>When I cross referenced the time period from the dashboard against data from my google adwords account I saw that the total volume of impressions for the exact phrase ad for the what is the number 1 industry term (without a Geo modifier) was about twice the number of impressions for the phrase in the LBC dashboard.   </p>
<p>Then I totaled the number of impressions for the exact phrase PPC ads which include a geo modifier and the term that is number 1 in the industry, which simultaneiously showed as the number #1 volume term in the LBC dashboard.  </p>
<p>It turned out number of impressions in the dashboard closely approximated the aggregate number of impressions for the combination long tail search phrases that include a geo term and the industry number 1 term.</p>
<p>Conclusion:  Google isn&#8217;t running versions of Maps for industry terms that don&#8217;t include a geo phrase.  They might be running maps for some types of terms.  They aren&#8217;t running generating maps for the 50% of searches that don&#8217;t include a geo modifier.   </p>
<p>Interesting.  It doesn&#8217;t tell me much about how I&#8217;m doing in Maps.  It gives me information on when Google is and isn&#8217;t running maps and specifically that it isn&#8217;t running Universal Search Maps for the search terms without geo modifiers.  </p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;.those maps were a neat experiment during 2009.  They seem to be fading now.  Actually that doesn&#8217;t surprise me.  I think for a variety of industries they probably moved searchers looking for local practitioners from hitting local PPC ads to hitting the record/site link associated with the Map.</p>
<p>In any case, I didn&#8217;t like the presentation of data in the LBC dashboard last year, and I still don&#8217;t think much of it.  I think its greatest value is in cross referencing the limited information it provides with other sources of information such as analytics for your website and/or ppc data.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Search, 10-Pack, National Brands, SEO Strategy &#124;</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-430123</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Search, 10-Pack, National Brands, SEO Strategy &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nuance is the value of a #1 organic ranking compared to being in the 10-pack (since the 10-pack appears above the #1 ranking). It looks like what used to be assumed was a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: earlpearl</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-429073</link>
		<dc:creator>earlpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This must be a quirk or a miss by Google.  In one of our dashboard accts 4 of the top ten phrases show a related business term, but include the inititials of the state in which the business is located.

In 3 cases the initials are at the end of the phrase and in one case the initials are at the beginning of the phrase.  Meanwhile I note where 2 potential higher ranking phrases w/ the state initials and the most relevant business phrase are clearly not showing...with that business phrase showing lots of impressions....but of course no breakdown.

I suppose its a small mistake in Google&#039;s aggregating this data and sending it out to people w/ an lbc claimed listing.

The &quot;non geographic&quot; context of this tool is not foolproof at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be a quirk or a miss by Google.  In one of our dashboard accts 4 of the top ten phrases show a related business term, but include the inititials of the state in which the business is located.</p>
<p>In 3 cases the initials are at the end of the phrase and in one case the initials are at the beginning of the phrase.  Meanwhile I note where 2 potential higher ranking phrases w/ the state initials and the most relevant business phrase are clearly not showing&#8230;with that business phrase showing lots of impressions&#8230;.but of course no breakdown.</p>
<p>I suppose its a small mistake in Google&#8217;s aggregating this data and sending it out to people w/ an lbc claimed listing.</p>
<p>The &#8220;non geographic&#8221; context of this tool is not foolproof at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Local Business Center: Why your impressions might drop to 0% &#124; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-420583</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Local Business Center: Why your impressions might drop to 0% &#124; Understanding Google Maps &#38; Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] crops up in the forums is why would your Local Business Center dashboard all of a sudden show 0 impressions for your business listing in Google [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-411404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you hopeless romantic you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you hopeless romantic you.</p>
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		<title>By: earlpearl</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-411403</link>
		<dc:creator>earlpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

I had one LBC account that wasn&#039;t showing impressions.  Yesterday it started to show impressions dating back one week.  All along it had shown actions.  (wierd, eh?)   I had noticed on twitter that Joel H from Google Maps referenced an update with the dashboard.

Bravo.  One small step for Google...one small step for dashboard followers.  ;)

I still think it is a medium to poor quality statistical picture of actions and effectiveness with regard to one&#039;s website.

Of note, I will say that one thing it doesn&#039;t measure, nor do other web analytics are calls to a business based on visibility within Maps, and specifically within the map insert into Google.com.

Of course if you utilize a tracking phone number in conjunction with the maps record then you have a terrific tracking tool.  Without that though, I notice when maps rankings for a site improves, we both get more visits to the site for subject phrases and we do generate more phone calls--even without a tracking number.  :D

kudo&#039;s to Google for the update.  Now if only they could provide some CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>I had one LBC account that wasn&#8217;t showing impressions.  Yesterday it started to show impressions dating back one week.  All along it had shown actions.  (wierd, eh?)   I had noticed on twitter that Joel H from Google Maps referenced an update with the dashboard.</p>
<p>Bravo.  One small step for Google&#8230;one small step for dashboard followers.  <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I still think it is a medium to poor quality statistical picture of actions and effectiveness with regard to one&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>Of note, I will say that one thing it doesn&#8217;t measure, nor do other web analytics are calls to a business based on visibility within Maps, and specifically within the map insert into Google.com.</p>
<p>Of course if you utilize a tracking phone number in conjunction with the maps record then you have a terrific tracking tool.  Without that though, I notice when maps rankings for a site improves, we both get more visits to the site for subject phrases and we do generate more phone calls&#8211;even without a tracking number.  <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>kudo&#8217;s to Google for the update.  Now if only they could provide some CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/06/11/google-lbc-dashboard-impressions-of-impressions-and-actions/comment-page-1/#comment-397530</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ric
Thanks for providing info as to the on the ground reality in Australia. I, as you know, take a critical look at Google as well. In this case, I think the dashboard is a carrot in their effort to encourage smb&#039;s to claim their records. Claiming adds a level of security to the system and limits to some extent abuses. It also gives Google someone to kick out for bad behavior. They claim to be working on developing tools that will &quot;innoculate&quot; local from these abuses but it has yet to clearly be functioning here or in Australia. 

Time will tell if they are on the right track and have the right priorities. Clearly a lot needs to be done to make Local work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ric<br />
Thanks for providing info as to the on the ground reality in Australia. I, as you know, take a critical look at Google as well. In this case, I think the dashboard is a carrot in their effort to encourage smb&#8217;s to claim their records. Claiming adds a level of security to the system and limits to some extent abuses. It also gives Google someone to kick out for bad behavior. They claim to be working on developing tools that will &#8220;innoculate&#8221; local from these abuses but it has yet to clearly be functioning here or in Australia. </p>
<p>Time will tell if they are on the right track and have the right priorities. Clearly a lot needs to be done to make Local work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Rafttis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Rafttis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst it&#039;s great that Google are adding more features, I think they are jumping the gun.

The local search is just a complete shambles, certainly here in Australia anyway.  For example, you can&#039;t search &quot;web design ..... &quot; now and get a full listing. At one stage they removed &quot;security .... &quot; as a category and now it&#039;s back again though.

But the biggest issue is the gaming of the local search engine.  I set up one client for local search and he couldn&#039;t understand why his opposition had eight listings in the local search area.  It was simply because the business had listed &quot;all suburbs&quot; and one suburb as the address.  This is so blatant it&#039;s almost more transparent than adding text full of keywords to a page in the same color as the background, yet there are heaps of examples of the same thing.

So Google, go to it with the bells and whistles by all means, but make the search returns better for a start!

Cheers,

Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst it&#8217;s great that Google are adding more features, I think they are jumping the gun.</p>
<p>The local search is just a complete shambles, certainly here in Australia anyway.  For example, you can&#8217;t search &#8220;web design &#8230;.. &#8221; now and get a full listing. At one stage they removed &#8220;security &#8230;. &#8221; as a category and now it&#8217;s back again though.</p>
<p>But the biggest issue is the gaming of the local search engine.  I set up one client for local search and he couldn&#8217;t understand why his opposition had eight listings in the local search area.  It was simply because the business had listed &#8220;all suburbs&#8221; and one suburb as the address.  This is so blatant it&#8217;s almost more transparent than adding text full of keywords to a page in the same color as the background, yet there are heaps of examples of the same thing.</p>
<p>So Google, go to it with the bells and whistles by all means, but make the search returns better for a start!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ric</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, thanx.  I will look into it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, thanx.  I will look into it further.</p>
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