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	<title>Comments on: 10 Pack Update affects Mom &amp; Pop&#8217;s, McDonald&#8217;s, Marketers, MC &amp; Mapqust</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

I am referring to the rank of the business listing referring to both off site, on site and non site related issues.

A listing with no site can rank high in local if the off site and non site related issues are propitious. That being said a site, properly constructed can positively influence rank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John</p>
<p>I am referring to the rank of the business listing referring to both off site, on site and non site related issues.</p>
<p>A listing with no site can rank high in local if the off site and non site related issues are propitious. That being said a site, properly constructed can positively influence rank.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

I am referring to the rank of the business listing depending on off site, on site and non site related issues.

Location of business for example and business title create relevance (non site related). Reviews and citations contribute to rank (off site related). 

A listing with no site can rank high in local if the off site and non site related issues are propitious. That being said a site, properly constructed can positively influence rank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John</p>
<p>I am referring to the rank of the business listing depending on off site, on site and non site related issues.</p>
<p>Location of business for example and business title create relevance (non site related). Reviews and citations contribute to rank (off site related). </p>
<p>A listing with no site can rank high in local if the off site and non site related issues are propitious. That being said a site, properly constructed can positively influence rank.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The rank is Google perception based on relevance of listing, strength of citations, strength of in bound links, internal link structure, location, total reviews.&quot;

are you referring to the site, when you speak of these factors?

because i see a lot of no site listings, and by far less important and linked sites preferred to bigger and much more cited sites. 

i was under the impression (wrong one, i assume now) that it&#039;s way less organized and calculated, other there is not good explanation to the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The rank is Google perception based on relevance of listing, strength of citations, strength of in bound links, internal link structure, location, total reviews.&#8221;</p>
<p>are you referring to the site, when you speak of these factors?</p>
<p>because i see a lot of no site listings, and by far less important and linked sites preferred to bigger and much more cited sites. </p>
<p>i was under the impression (wrong one, i assume now) that it&#8217;s way less organized and calculated, other there is not good explanation to the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Todd, at a population of only 6000 people there must not be enough clues out there for Google to over-ride the Plymouth, UK (population 250k) results that pop up.

I see this sometimes searching in Canada. If I do the search in Google.com I sometimes get 10-pack results from similar named cities in the UK. But if I switch over to Google.ca and do same search I get the proper Canadian Results.

So, maybe there is some factors related to search history and locations of people doing most searches with certain city names??? Not just IP locations of the immediate searcher, but locations of past searchers too. In the example I&#039;ve come across the city in question is Halifax. The Canadian city has a population of almost half a million, but the &quot;constituency&quot; in England is only about 90k. But the word Halifax is common to a lot of other searches originating in the UK. There&#039;s a huge UK wide online bank called Halifax.

Google Insights shows more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=halifax&amp;cmpt=q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;searches with the word Halifax coming from the UK vs Canada&lt;/a&gt;.

We &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=plymouth&amp;cmpt=q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;look at the word Plymouth and see the same thing&lt;/a&gt;, even more pronounced when you compare it to the percentage you see coming from the US.

I have no idea if this is a factor or not, but it looks like it just might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Todd, at a population of only 6000 people there must not be enough clues out there for Google to over-ride the Plymouth, UK (population 250k) results that pop up.</p>
<p>I see this sometimes searching in Canada. If I do the search in Google.com I sometimes get 10-pack results from similar named cities in the UK. But if I switch over to Google.ca and do same search I get the proper Canadian Results.</p>
<p>So, maybe there is some factors related to search history and locations of people doing most searches with certain city names??? Not just IP locations of the immediate searcher, but locations of past searchers too. In the example I&#8217;ve come across the city in question is Halifax. The Canadian city has a population of almost half a million, but the &#8220;constituency&#8221; in England is only about 90k. But the word Halifax is common to a lot of other searches originating in the UK. There&#8217;s a huge UK wide online bank called Halifax.</p>
<p>Google Insights shows more <a href="http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=halifax&amp;cmpt=q">searches with the word Halifax coming from the UK vs Canada</a>.</p>
<p>We <a href="http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=plymouth&amp;cmpt=q">look at the word Plymouth and see the same thing</a>, even more pronounced when you compare it to the percentage you see coming from the US.</p>
<p>I have no idea if this is a factor or not, but it looks like it just might.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Todd it is odd given their geolocation capability that they would still make that error. It seems they really want (need?) you to hit that &quot;change location&quot; link</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Todd it is odd given their geolocation capability that they would still make that error. It seems they really want (need?) you to hit that &#8220;change location&#8221; link</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@john

the decision is on based on google&#039;s location prominence algo with postition in the 10pack etc going to the site with the highest location prominence rank. The rank is google perception based on relevance of listing, strength of citations,  strenght of in bound links, internal link structure, location, total reviews.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john</p>
<p>the decision is on based on google&#8217;s location prominence algo with postition in the 10pack etc going to the site with the highest location prominence rank. The rank is google perception based on relevance of listing, strength of citations,  strenght of in bound links, internal link structure, location, total reviews.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that they rolled this out without including geo targeted city names without a state.  If I still search my local community for any common local phrases &quot;plymouth pizza&quot; or &quot;plymouth dentist&quot; I still see local results for Plymouth, UK instead of my state.  

It seems to me that this would have finally been fixed in this roll out.  Does anyone else have this happen for their city?  

The searches for just &quot;pizza&quot; and &quot;dentist&quot; do show the correct location, but Plymouth, UK is shown for all &quot;plymouth&quot; searches since Google Maps started.  This seems like a very simple usability fix for them.

Todd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that they rolled this out without including geo targeted city names without a state.  If I still search my local community for any common local phrases &#8220;plymouth pizza&#8221; or &#8220;plymouth dentist&#8221; I still see local results for Plymouth, UK instead of my state.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that this would have finally been fixed in this roll out.  Does anyone else have this happen for their city?  </p>
<p>The searches for just &#8220;pizza&#8221; and &#8220;dentist&#8221; do show the correct location, but Plymouth, UK is shown for all &#8220;plymouth&#8221; searches since Google Maps started.  This seems like a very simple usability fix for them.</p>
<p>Todd</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi mike,

i ment that it would be way more reasonable- if you account out google&#039;s own habit of making everyone guess what they are up to- to have the results rotating, not static.

it can still factor what it factors now, but showing it that way would not only be more &quot;fair&quot;, but holds truer the notion of relevance and equal opportunity.

my question was the simple, but logically misspelled:)
how does google decides what and who enters its maps and especially one/three/ten packs?
it&#039;s static, in each location or geotrageted point. but what if a new website sent it&#039;s details? will it enter a ten pack and instead of who?
  
is there a time factor? an again factor, or perhaps it takes into account other factors...

it just seems to me truly un inspired thinking from google, resembling it&#039;s ignorance when it comes to customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi mike,</p>
<p>i ment that it would be way more reasonable- if you account out google&#8217;s own habit of making everyone guess what they are up to- to have the results rotating, not static.</p>
<p>it can still factor what it factors now, but showing it that way would not only be more &#8220;fair&#8221;, but holds truer the notion of relevance and equal opportunity.</p>
<p>my question was the simple, but logically misspelled:)<br />
how does google decides what and who enters its maps and especially one/three/ten packs?<br />
it&#8217;s static, in each location or geotrageted point. but what if a new website sent it&#8217;s details? will it enter a ten pack and instead of who?</p>
<p>is there a time factor? an again factor, or perhaps it takes into account other factors&#8230;</p>
<p>it just seems to me truly un inspired thinking from google, resembling it&#8217;s ignorance when it comes to customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@john

I agree that the results are not always the most useful to a searcher. But they do reflect Google&#039;s idea of same...

&lt;blockqoute&gt;does anybody, after this long time of confusion, understands how google maps works in the basis?

Not sure what you are asking here?

Mike&lt;/blockqoute&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john</p>
<p>I agree that the results are not always the most useful to a searcher. But they do reflect Google&#8217;s idea of same&#8230;</p>
<p><blockqoute>does anybody, after this long time of confusion, understands how google maps works in the basis?</p>
<p>Not sure what you are asking here?</p>
<p>Mike</blockqoute></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now with the ten pack making it&#039;s way to rest of the world, and the spam merchants parading trough the streets of our local town, i wonder if google will finally have a different way of organizing it.

rotate allways seemd to me like a great way to do it.

does anybody, after this long time of confusion, understands how google maps works in the basis?

how the algo decides which business to insert, not to speak of having the same business five times in the same ten box...

ironically, i know how to work it, and not how it works.

anybody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now with the ten pack making it&#8217;s way to rest of the world, and the spam merchants parading trough the streets of our local town, i wonder if google will finally have a different way of organizing it.</p>
<p>rotate allways seemd to me like a great way to do it.</p>
<p>does anybody, after this long time of confusion, understands how google maps works in the basis?</p>
<p>how the algo decides which business to insert, not to speak of having the same business five times in the same ten box&#8230;</p>
<p>ironically, i know how to work it, and not how it works.</p>
<p>anybody?</p>
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