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	<title>Comments on: Google Maps vs Locksmith Spammers: Spammers winning?</title>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt H (comment 80 above) is one of the main culprits for this particular type of spamming here in Australia. We&#039;ve been following his activities closely. He works for Third Man Online - a lead generation company based in Melbourne. His sites have just sprung up out of nowhere over the last year or so to dominate search results and combined with their google maps spam they&#039;re becoming a big problem for the locksmith industry here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt H (comment 80 above) is one of the main culprits for this particular type of spamming here in Australia. We&#8217;ve been following his activities closely. He works for Third Man Online &#8211; a lead generation company based in Melbourne. His sites have just sprung up out of nowhere over the last year or so to dominate search results and combined with their google maps spam they&#8217;re becoming a big problem for the locksmith industry here.</p>
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		<title>By: JDandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow the Money Trail.....

See: The Postal Inspectors Court Affidavit. 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22161763/Affidavit-for-Complaint-of-Eli-Barhanun</description>
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<p>See: The Postal Inspectors Court Affidavit. </p>
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		<title>By: LW</title>
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		<dc:creator>LW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are spot on google places is a joke. It is full of locksmith call centres and fake addresses it makes it nearly impossible for us normal locksmiths to get to the first page of google anymore as 8 slots are taken up by the nationall locksmith company&#039;s. Google should be doing mire to stop this and more frustratingly customers don&#039;t have a clue what&#039;s going on they believe they are calling a normal locksmith and when they get a huge bill it gives us all a bad name.

Excellent blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are spot on google places is a joke. It is full of locksmith call centres and fake addresses it makes it nearly impossible for us normal locksmiths to get to the first page of google anymore as 8 slots are taken up by the nationall locksmith company&#8217;s. Google should be doing mire to stop this and more frustratingly customers don&#8217;t have a clue what&#8217;s going on they believe they are calling a normal locksmith and when they get a huge bill it gives us all a bad name.</p>
<p>Excellent blog</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am an owner operator of nexus 24 hour locksmiths Sydney. The map spam problem here is fortunately not as bad as the examples above, however I think that google has introduced the maps to make more money from pay per click. How? Well those who invested in SEO to appear up top for competitive searches have been shifted below 7 or so listings by businesses that have put no SEO work into their sites. By placing these map results above SEO results it has hugely negated the clicks generated by organic listings. Now more Sydney locksmiths, and I am sure NYC locksmiths have no choice but to compete in adwords for positioning above map results, which has sent prices for ppc skyrocketing, which is exactly what google wanted. Why did they introduce the maps?!?! Beneficial for google? Yes! And arguably beneficial for the consumer if map listings are genuine and accurate. A huge disadvantage to those who invested alot of money in SEO. SEO is virtually dead now. Any thoughts anyone!??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am an owner operator of nexus 24 hour locksmiths Sydney. The map spam problem here is fortunately not as bad as the examples above, however I think that google has introduced the maps to make more money from pay per click. How? Well those who invested in SEO to appear up top for competitive searches have been shifted below 7 or so listings by businesses that have put no SEO work into their sites. By placing these map results above SEO results it has hugely negated the clicks generated by organic listings. Now more Sydney locksmiths, and I am sure NYC locksmiths have no choice but to compete in adwords for positioning above map results, which has sent prices for ppc skyrocketing, which is exactly what google wanted. Why did they introduce the maps?!?! Beneficial for google? Yes! And arguably beneficial for the consumer if map listings are genuine and accurate. A huge disadvantage to those who invested alot of money in SEO. SEO is virtually dead now. Any thoughts anyone!??</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/25/google-maps-vs-locksmiths-spammers-spammers-winning/comment-page-2/#comment-549296</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 04:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily google has cracked down on this by going to postcard verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily google has cracked down on this by going to postcard verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Locksmith Spam Listing Issue &#187; Nodal Bits</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/25/google-maps-vs-locksmiths-spammers-spammers-winning/comment-page-2/#comment-549180</link>
		<dc:creator>Locksmith Spam Listing Issue &#187; Nodal Bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 12:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recently wrote a piece about how to bite back at local scam businesses over at Natural Search Blog, but one of the more difficult variety of scams are the faux local business listings that Google Places fights. And, ever since people first began scamming listing rankings in print yellow pages, the worst sector affected is that of Locksmiths. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I recently wrote a piece about how to bite back at local scam businesses over at Natural Search Blog, but one of the more difficult variety of scams are the faux local business listings that Google Places fights. And, ever since people first began scamming listing rankings in print yellow pages, the worst sector affected is that of Locksmiths. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are each of those little dots supposed locksmiths?! Wow! No wonder so many people have bad experiences with locksmiths; seems like everyone who can open a door is calling themselves one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are each of those little dots supposed locksmiths?! Wow! No wonder so many people have bad experiences with locksmiths; seems like everyone who can open a door is calling themselves one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bronzell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bronzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Locksmith scammers:

If any one wants to research the facts they can.

Facts

The locksmith Industry has always been built on trust and honesty. There have been very few problems in the past. Yes like anything something can always happen that is sleazy, but this industry has been mostly free from sleeze.

Over recent years there has been an explosion of complaints across the country. The BBB has logged over 1000 complaints from one or two of these companys and we all know that that is just a small percentage of what is really happening.

After I first looked into this years ago to find out what was going on with all of the phony address listings appearing in the phone book and on the internet I found out that all of the scammers that I looked into and that was for the most part all of them were infact Israeli. 

I think the problem occurs when someone refers to them as israeli, there is usually people who try and act like it is a race thing and then try and call people racist just because they pointed out the fact that this is an Israeli scam ring. I have never seen anyone cry racist when they are talking about nigerian scams which in my opinion is small potatoes compared to this phony advertising scam.

I challange anyone to do some research and conclude that this is not an israeli scam.

I have been sued by David Peer alleged owner of Dependable lock inc. formerly known as priceline or superb solutions. The federal complaint alledged that myself and 3 people from the state of illinois conspired for financial reasons to deny them a license to do business. ( they forgot to look at the reality of it being that they were not real locksmith businesses but self proclaimed locksmiths that seemed to only know how to drill a lock or pry open a car door and then have the audacity to charge wild prices such as 800, 500, 1700, 600 for a service that should generaly be about 90 dollars give or take.) 
The Federal Judge dismissed the counts against me. David Peer and some of his cohorts were arrested recently by Federal authorities and they were charged with various crimes such as Money Laundering, wire Fraud, Mail Fraud, and one of the most important ones Stucturing a business using foriegn illegal workers from Israel.

I am not a racist and do not have problems with Israelis or Jews.

David Peer and his attorney filed an amended complaint which names 2 state employees an investigator and Judge who were only doing their job to protect unsuspecting consummers from these scams. The new lawsuit is accusing them of denying their license because they were Israeli. This is an absolute joke seeing the prosecuter who helped take their license away is an Israeli woman.

I would also like to point out an israeli company called AMDOCS. There is a self proclaimed locksmith business in Colorado called Basad Locksmith. Peleg Foreman seems to have a very nice relationship with them and is even involved with Ruben H Donnelly. Look it up his profile is on the web. This same guy was fined 100,000 dollars for defrauding Colorado citizens. If only the Colorados AGs office knew this is just a slap on the hand and 100,000 is just a small cost of doing business. And the scam continues.

So just to let everyone know the locksmith industry is not sleezy. Most locksmiths are of good moral and ethical character.

It is the Israeli scam that is well organized that has introduced sleeze into this industry. This has actually become a world wide scam and they are operating across the borders also.

Call one of these scammers and listen to all the phones ringing in the back round. These scams are Huge and not penny ante. 

This scam is not only affecting locksmiths and the same players are also involved with florists, tow trucks, carpet cleaning, duct cleaning, movers and who knows what else.

These scams I believe are being perpetraited by professionals that are in the advertising business. These scammers are very cunning and educated and will try and confuse everything with smoke and mirrors.

The fact that these self proclaimed locksmiths are Israeli is irrelavant, this is just a common denominator that points to this phony advertising conspiracy which is not 1000s of different locksmith companys as the scammers would have you believe but rather an inticate network of corporations that are centraly run by the same people. Then you have the copy cats that are former employees trying to run the same scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locksmith scammers:</p>
<p>If any one wants to research the facts they can.</p>
<p>Facts</p>
<p>The locksmith Industry has always been built on trust and honesty. There have been very few problems in the past. Yes like anything something can always happen that is sleazy, but this industry has been mostly free from sleeze.</p>
<p>Over recent years there has been an explosion of complaints across the country. The BBB has logged over 1000 complaints from one or two of these companys and we all know that that is just a small percentage of what is really happening.</p>
<p>After I first looked into this years ago to find out what was going on with all of the phony address listings appearing in the phone book and on the internet I found out that all of the scammers that I looked into and that was for the most part all of them were infact Israeli. </p>
<p>I think the problem occurs when someone refers to them as israeli, there is usually people who try and act like it is a race thing and then try and call people racist just because they pointed out the fact that this is an Israeli scam ring. I have never seen anyone cry racist when they are talking about nigerian scams which in my opinion is small potatoes compared to this phony advertising scam.</p>
<p>I challange anyone to do some research and conclude that this is not an israeli scam.</p>
<p>I have been sued by David Peer alleged owner of Dependable lock inc. formerly known as priceline or superb solutions. The federal complaint alledged that myself and 3 people from the state of illinois conspired for financial reasons to deny them a license to do business. ( they forgot to look at the reality of it being that they were not real locksmith businesses but self proclaimed locksmiths that seemed to only know how to drill a lock or pry open a car door and then have the audacity to charge wild prices such as 800, 500, 1700, 600 for a service that should generaly be about 90 dollars give or take.)<br />
The Federal Judge dismissed the counts against me. David Peer and some of his cohorts were arrested recently by Federal authorities and they were charged with various crimes such as Money Laundering, wire Fraud, Mail Fraud, and one of the most important ones Stucturing a business using foriegn illegal workers from Israel.</p>
<p>I am not a racist and do not have problems with Israelis or Jews.</p>
<p>David Peer and his attorney filed an amended complaint which names 2 state employees an investigator and Judge who were only doing their job to protect unsuspecting consummers from these scams. The new lawsuit is accusing them of denying their license because they were Israeli. This is an absolute joke seeing the prosecuter who helped take their license away is an Israeli woman.</p>
<p>I would also like to point out an israeli company called AMDOCS. There is a self proclaimed locksmith business in Colorado called Basad Locksmith. Peleg Foreman seems to have a very nice relationship with them and is even involved with Ruben H Donnelly. Look it up his profile is on the web. This same guy was fined 100,000 dollars for defrauding Colorado citizens. If only the Colorados AGs office knew this is just a slap on the hand and 100,000 is just a small cost of doing business. And the scam continues.</p>
<p>So just to let everyone know the locksmith industry is not sleezy. Most locksmiths are of good moral and ethical character.</p>
<p>It is the Israeli scam that is well organized that has introduced sleeze into this industry. This has actually become a world wide scam and they are operating across the borders also.</p>
<p>Call one of these scammers and listen to all the phones ringing in the back round. These scams are Huge and not penny ante. </p>
<p>This scam is not only affecting locksmiths and the same players are also involved with florists, tow trucks, carpet cleaning, duct cleaning, movers and who knows what else.</p>
<p>These scams I believe are being perpetraited by professionals that are in the advertising business. These scammers are very cunning and educated and will try and confuse everything with smoke and mirrors.</p>
<p>The fact that these self proclaimed locksmiths are Israeli is irrelavant, this is just a common denominator that points to this phony advertising conspiracy which is not 1000s of different locksmith companys as the scammers would have you believe but rather an inticate network of corporations that are centraly run by the same people. Then you have the copy cats that are former employees trying to run the same scam.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckie</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Approximately 4-6 weeks ago in June 2010  I called the locksmith scammers. They quoted the typical $29.00 or $39.00 plus labor. They told me labor was $15.00 and up. I asked what the maximum was they responded it depends on what tool the locksmith uses to do the job.  They asked for my zipcode and other information. I asked them if they could open up a older basic car in
Clearwater FL. They said yes. I asked them again &quot;You can open up a car in Clearwater Fl&quot; The said yes agian. Most of the time when I have asked them where they are standing they have answered Peoria Illinois. 


I have been studying these guys bait and switch game for years. We have the stricktest licensing in the US that I know of. A quote from the ATF &quot;They may be terrorist funded&quot; They spend more money then anyone in the US in Yellow Page ads. Even more than doctors, lawyers, construction workers etc. More than anyone period. It looks like their daddy owns the phone company and the computer. I have talked to a lot of people and everyone kept saying they were illegal aliens, no licenses and complaints and this proves it. I hope Americans Most Wanted, 60 minutes and the nightly and local news everywhere will run this story. 
At first I didn&#039;t know how big they were until I studied them and seen the massive amount of money they spend. I get every new Verizon phone book in my state and other phone books throughout the US. I have called the scammers before, blocking my number, and they told me what number I was calling from. When they moved into our state a few years ago they had 60-90 full page color ads. Not including half page, quarter page, dollar bill, business card size ads. 1,2,3, mhs in column ads, color bold listings and with 3500-6000 different phone numbers, all with bogus addresses, different names. They even copy ligitamate locksmith names to bury them in massive advertisment. Very big advertisements, pages full on computer, 1st listings (I&#039;ve seen the Verizon phone books, all of them in the state before they came to town and since they have been here. Other phone books kicked them out.Verizon won&#039;t. And now Idearc prints the yellow pages for Verizon and Idearc has filed bankrupcy. After the scammers have come into these 10 phone books of Verizon and they are still in there. There is not that much business for that amount of money spent). Not including very high tech professional answering telephone tree service. Example when you call their number it instructs you to press 1 for immediate locksmith service press 2 for a previous call or press 3 for customer service. Some of the different numbers you call they answer with &quot;locksmith&quot; or &quot;Hello&quot; In some states they have made up their licensing number in advertisement. Legislating with these laws is running the cost of business up and sales are down in a tough economy. 
In NYC the Verizon phone book 2002 and NJ Holboken 2006 Verizon phone book and Virginia 2008 and in other states. Most states have been legislated. It is not fixing the problem. In these 3 older phone books to name a few the scammers phone numbers still work!
Consumers- When calling a locksmith just ask them what mall or any landmark around your problem to see if they can answer a simple question. 
Locksmiths-If you are in a scammer area, go out on every call. Once we start calling the law out on all calls and arresting some of them It will be more work for locksmiths. call the police. Once the police is there ask the officer to ask the scammer for licensing if your state requires it, drivers license and run license plate number. SERIOUS WARRANTS WILL GO TO JAIL! And this will cost you nothing.
I think really there may be something else behind this. A lot bigger! The Florida flight school 911 highjackers were very nice guys and no one knew.

I have been a locksmith for a very long time. If I started today with all the legistation in my state I wouldn&#039;t be able to afford it. We have caught a locksmith scamming disease throughout America. I can&#039;t even move to another state because most all states are being legislated and I cant keep continuing to pay these very high prices. Please on behalf of all the locksmiths in America and the consumer HELP US DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS IMMEDIATELY IN ALL 50 STATES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Approximately 4-6 weeks ago in June 2010  I called the locksmith scammers. They quoted the typical $29.00 or $39.00 plus labor. They told me labor was $15.00 and up. I asked what the maximum was they responded it depends on what tool the locksmith uses to do the job.  They asked for my zipcode and other information. I asked them if they could open up a older basic car in<br />
Clearwater FL. They said yes. I asked them again &#8220;You can open up a car in Clearwater Fl&#8221; The said yes agian. Most of the time when I have asked them where they are standing they have answered Peoria Illinois. </p>
<p>I have been studying these guys bait and switch game for years. We have the stricktest licensing in the US that I know of. A quote from the ATF &#8220;They may be terrorist funded&#8221; They spend more money then anyone in the US in Yellow Page ads. Even more than doctors, lawyers, construction workers etc. More than anyone period. It looks like their daddy owns the phone company and the computer. I have talked to a lot of people and everyone kept saying they were illegal aliens, no licenses and complaints and this proves it. I hope Americans Most Wanted, 60 minutes and the nightly and local news everywhere will run this story.<br />
At first I didn&#8217;t know how big they were until I studied them and seen the massive amount of money they spend. I get every new Verizon phone book in my state and other phone books throughout the US. I have called the scammers before, blocking my number, and they told me what number I was calling from. When they moved into our state a few years ago they had 60-90 full page color ads. Not including half page, quarter page, dollar bill, business card size ads. 1,2,3, mhs in column ads, color bold listings and with 3500-6000 different phone numbers, all with bogus addresses, different names. They even copy ligitamate locksmith names to bury them in massive advertisment. Very big advertisements, pages full on computer, 1st listings (I&#8217;ve seen the Verizon phone books, all of them in the state before they came to town and since they have been here. Other phone books kicked them out.Verizon won&#8217;t. And now Idearc prints the yellow pages for Verizon and Idearc has filed bankrupcy. After the scammers have come into these 10 phone books of Verizon and they are still in there. There is not that much business for that amount of money spent). Not including very high tech professional answering telephone tree service. Example when you call their number it instructs you to press 1 for immediate locksmith service press 2 for a previous call or press 3 for customer service. Some of the different numbers you call they answer with &#8220;locksmith&#8221; or &#8220;Hello&#8221; In some states they have made up their licensing number in advertisement. Legislating with these laws is running the cost of business up and sales are down in a tough economy.<br />
In NYC the Verizon phone book 2002 and NJ Holboken 2006 Verizon phone book and Virginia 2008 and in other states. Most states have been legislated. It is not fixing the problem. In these 3 older phone books to name a few the scammers phone numbers still work!<br />
Consumers- When calling a locksmith just ask them what mall or any landmark around your problem to see if they can answer a simple question.<br />
Locksmiths-If you are in a scammer area, go out on every call. Once we start calling the law out on all calls and arresting some of them It will be more work for locksmiths. call the police. Once the police is there ask the officer to ask the scammer for licensing if your state requires it, drivers license and run license plate number. SERIOUS WARRANTS WILL GO TO JAIL! And this will cost you nothing.<br />
I think really there may be something else behind this. A lot bigger! The Florida flight school 911 highjackers were very nice guys and no one knew.</p>
<p>I have been a locksmith for a very long time. If I started today with all the legistation in my state I wouldn&#8217;t be able to afford it. We have caught a locksmith scamming disease throughout America. I can&#8217;t even move to another state because most all states are being legislated and I cant keep continuing to pay these very high prices. Please on behalf of all the locksmiths in America and the consumer HELP US DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS IMMEDIATELY IN ALL 50 STATES</p>
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		<title>By: Local SEO on Google Maps - Pizza Hut Hijacked My Listing &#124; Three Deep Marketing - St. Paul, MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Local SEO on Google Maps - Pizza Hut Hijacked My Listing &#124; Three Deep Marketing - St. Paul, MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] knew right away what was happening, as I had read about this type of behavior happening in New York City with Locksmiths &#8211; as well as many other cases of Google Maps Spam.  Here is my response in [...]</description>
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