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		<title>By: Marble Host</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/11/google-maps-needs-a-public-face/comment-page-1/#comment-329036</link>
		<dc:creator>Marble Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google likes to think of itself as a global player.In reality it is acting like an irresponsible adolescent.

It&#039;s time for the company to take reponsibility for its actions and to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google likes to think of itself as a global player.In reality it is acting like an irresponsible adolescent.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the company to take reponsibility for its actions and to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/11/google-maps-needs-a-public-face/comment-page-1/#comment-328888</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, no crossses for me...they are heavy and prevent sleep at night...particularly if there are nails involved

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, no crossses for me&#8230;they are heavy and prevent sleep at night&#8230;particularly if there are nails involved</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Joan van Hilten</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/11/google-maps-needs-a-public-face/comment-page-1/#comment-328885</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan van Hilten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I am in awe of your wisdom - You are my Google Guru. 

I often think &quot; I&#039;m not worthy, I&#039;m not worthy&quot;  

Must be a difficult cross to bear...  But I&#039;m glad you do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I am in awe of your wisdom &#8211; You are my Google Guru. </p>
<p>I often think &#8221; I&#8217;m not worthy, I&#8217;m not worthy&#8221;  </p>
<p>Must be a difficult cross to bear&#8230;  But I&#8217;m glad you do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/11/google-maps-needs-a-public-face/comment-page-1/#comment-328883</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there really are two issues here...one is a public spokesperson that can educate, cajole and speak to us, with us and for us....about the issues on a grand scale....

The second goes back to the need for a customer support/customer relations model that offers real opportunities to get questions answered.

Miriam noted:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m pretty sure that Mike would agree that, while he truly enjoys giving his best thoughts on troubleshooting Maps, he doesn’t work for Google &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ahmen to that....yet on some days, I am the only person in the Maps Business help group answering questions...half of which I ignore because there is no way to fix them without Google intervention.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there really are two issues here&#8230;one is a public spokesperson that can educate, cajole and speak to us, with us and for us&#8230;.about the issues on a grand scale&#8230;.</p>
<p>The second goes back to the need for a customer support/customer relations model that offers real opportunities to get questions answered.</p>
<p>Miriam noted:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m pretty sure that Mike would agree that, while he truly enjoys giving his best thoughts on troubleshooting Maps, he doesn’t work for Google </p></blockquote>
<p>Ahmen to that&#8230;.yet on some days, I am the only person in the Maps Business help group answering questions&#8230;half of which I ignore because there is no way to fix them without Google intervention.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Joan van Hilten</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/02/11/google-maps-needs-a-public-face/comment-page-1/#comment-328865</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan van Hilten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in total agreement. There is no where to turn. Most times I&#039;m left holding my head in my hands groaning.

Businesses put a lot of stock in Google Maps and are very frustrated with the lack of coherent answers I can give them.  My favourite is 
&quot;Google is another word for challenging.&quot; 

I have no idea as to when data up dates really - I have to approximate from last uploads.  I have listings that are now showing as &quot;not verified&quot; (as we learned perviously) which worries clients. 
Now they are not even loading URLs as I&#039;ve provided to them - just because the wind is coming in from the NorthWest. I have no understanding of any type of logic that they may be using. If any at all. 
They decide what information they are going to upload and what they aren&#039;t - regardless of what we send them. I&#039;m at my wits end most days.

I&#039;m all for Maps Guide Jen.  Provided that she&#039;s going to be able to talk on behalf of Google and not put anyone off as in the case of Diane(?) and Will.  Such a wonderful experience I don&#039;t doubt.  Yikes. 

As a matter of fact why don&#039;t we start a Facebook group &quot; Maps Guide Jen for the public Face of Google Maps&quot; ? 

Joan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in total agreement. There is no where to turn. Most times I&#8217;m left holding my head in my hands groaning.</p>
<p>Businesses put a lot of stock in Google Maps and are very frustrated with the lack of coherent answers I can give them.  My favourite is<br />
&#8220;Google is another word for challenging.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have no idea as to when data up dates really &#8211; I have to approximate from last uploads.  I have listings that are now showing as &#8220;not verified&#8221; (as we learned perviously) which worries clients.<br />
Now they are not even loading URLs as I&#8217;ve provided to them &#8211; just because the wind is coming in from the NorthWest. I have no understanding of any type of logic that they may be using. If any at all.<br />
They decide what information they are going to upload and what they aren&#8217;t &#8211; regardless of what we send them. I&#8217;m at my wits end most days.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for Maps Guide Jen.  Provided that she&#8217;s going to be able to talk on behalf of Google and not put anyone off as in the case of Diane(?) and Will.  Such a wonderful experience I don&#8217;t doubt.  Yikes. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact why don&#8217;t we start a Facebook group &#8221; Maps Guide Jen for the public Face of Google Maps&#8221; ? </p>
<p>Joan</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Will, that is some story. Interactions like that do not speak well of Google. Obviously, the woman you spoke to was not authorized to behave otherwise, but it only augments the wisdom of Mike&#039;s suggestion that we really do need SOMEONE with whom we can speak about the very real damages being done to small businesses by Google&#039;s prominent yet highly flawed product. If not Jen, if not Jade...then who? Where is that Matt of Local?

I&#039;m pretty sure that Mike would agree that, while he truly enjoys giving his best thoughts on troubleshooting Maps, he doesn&#039;t work for Google and all of us have been left talking to one another, trying to figure out what is going on rather than being able to get the straight talk from the horse&#039;s mouth. 

You were pretty straightforward with the lady from Google, Will. I wish the folks in Mountainview would take seriously what you said.

BTW, I&#039;m so eager for news from the conference.

Miriam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Will, that is some story. Interactions like that do not speak well of Google. Obviously, the woman you spoke to was not authorized to behave otherwise, but it only augments the wisdom of Mike&#8217;s suggestion that we really do need SOMEONE with whom we can speak about the very real damages being done to small businesses by Google&#8217;s prominent yet highly flawed product. If not Jen, if not Jade&#8230;then who? Where is that Matt of Local?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Mike would agree that, while he truly enjoys giving his best thoughts on troubleshooting Maps, he doesn&#8217;t work for Google and all of us have been left talking to one another, trying to figure out what is going on rather than being able to get the straight talk from the horse&#8217;s mouth. </p>
<p>You were pretty straightforward with the lady from Google, Will. I wish the folks in Mountainview would take seriously what you said.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m so eager for news from the conference.</p>
<p>Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will
Any reports back from SMX are welcome!

Your story of your interaction with Diane (?) really speaks to why they need a public spokesperson that can not just act sincere but be sincere.

As to Maps Guide Jade advice...what good is changing a record in Maps if it doesn&#039;t change in the main SERPS? If a business needs to do both things, than she should say so...otherwise I stand by my statement that it is bad advice.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will<br />
Any reports back from SMX are welcome!</p>
<p>Your story of your interaction with Diane (?) really speaks to why they need a public spokesperson that can not just act sincere but be sincere.</p>
<p>As to Maps Guide Jade advice&#8230;what good is changing a record in Maps if it doesn&#8217;t change in the main SERPS? If a business needs to do both things, than she should say so&#8230;otherwise I stand by my statement that it is bad advice.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Will Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

A. Totally agree
B. I&#039;m not sure Mapsguide Jade was wrong given statements from Jen @ SMX West yesterday.  It appears community edits do go live immediately in the maps, but require manual validation before they go live in the main SERPs.

As an aside, I had a conversation with one of Jen&#039;s colleagues (I believe her name was Diane) who is the product manager for maps.

She said she was very interested in my feedback and asked if I had any questions regarding maps

I said, &quot;I wish I had a way to out spammers without identifying myself, and no I don&#039;t really have any questions.  I have smart people like Mike and David to help me out and they know more than you&#039;ll ever tell&quot;.

And then I shared with her my philosophical view &quot;I think you guys are negligent for releasing a product which has so much impact on small businesses and is so clearly a work in progress&quot;.

She said, we realize this has an impact and of course didn&#039;t agree with me that it was negligent.

So I asked for her card.  She said they don&#039;t carry cards.  I asked for her email and she said &quot;you can communicate with me through Jen&quot;.

Arrogance of the highest order!  You want my feedback but block any attempt at communication?  BS!  It&#039;s really that they want us to feel like our feedback is valued and they then arrogantly block access to real dialog.

It was a very frustrating experience and made me once again wish for FTC action to break up this hideously arrogant monopoly.

Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>A. Totally agree<br />
B. I&#8217;m not sure Mapsguide Jade was wrong given statements from Jen @ SMX West yesterday.  It appears community edits do go live immediately in the maps, but require manual validation before they go live in the main SERPs.</p>
<p>As an aside, I had a conversation with one of Jen&#8217;s colleagues (I believe her name was Diane) who is the product manager for maps.</p>
<p>She said she was very interested in my feedback and asked if I had any questions regarding maps</p>
<p>I said, &#8220;I wish I had a way to out spammers without identifying myself, and no I don&#8217;t really have any questions.  I have smart people like Mike and David to help me out and they know more than you&#8217;ll ever tell&#8221;.</p>
<p>And then I shared with her my philosophical view &#8220;I think you guys are negligent for releasing a product which has so much impact on small businesses and is so clearly a work in progress&#8221;.</p>
<p>She said, we realize this has an impact and of course didn&#8217;t agree with me that it was negligent.</p>
<p>So I asked for her card.  She said they don&#8217;t carry cards.  I asked for her email and she said &#8220;you can communicate with me through Jen&#8221;.</p>
<p>Arrogance of the highest order!  You want my feedback but block any attempt at communication?  BS!  It&#8217;s really that they want us to feel like our feedback is valued and they then arrogantly block access to real dialog.</p>
<p>It was a very frustrating experience and made me once again wish for FTC action to break up this hideously arrogant monopoly.</p>
<p>Will</p>
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