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	<title>Comments on: PanzerMike receives year end pardon &#8211; allowed back into Maps</title>
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		<title>By: panzermike</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/12/22/panzermike-receives-year-end-pardon-allowed-back-into-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-303002</link>
		<dc:creator>panzermike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.  First, I want to thank Blumenthal for having this excellent forum and also for refusing to show favoritism towards any party in the dispute.

I agree ultimately, it was my  responsibility to monitor my listings and I should never have given my (former) marketing guy access to my local account.

Third, I feel the seven month  ban was unfair, especially considering the fact that attorney spam for LA is more sophisticated and rampant than before they even had listing guidelines.  I note that despite several spam reports, none of that spam is being dealt with that is so clearly open and obvious.  

Fourth, I stayed after the task, and ultimately, as a result of my whining, Google finally created rules for listings (still pretty vague) and rules for re inclusion into Maps.

Fifth, I understand it is still a new technology and I support quality listing guidelines.

Sixth, I still think there is an arbitrary and capricious business listing and removal policy for businesses and hope Carter and the team see that as well.

Seven, Google has no greater supporter than me and my family.  If it was not for Google and Matt Cutts, I would be shining shoes somewhere.

I accept I was made a sacrificial lamb and hope next time . . . well I  hope there is no next time.  I had to lay off two people, it crushed my internet based business, and during a recession, and after a new born son, it almost shut me down.

My natural language based business suffered greatly as a result of adwords, spam type sites taking over with that great Map next to them at the very top.  Oi vey.

Google Maps is great if you never had natural language results.  The problem is that people who never invested the time to create a trusted site like me, skipped right to the very top, and as far as I am concerned were unjustly enriched by creating crummy sites that manipulate the Maps algo.  (LaLaw24, Accidentattorneyzipcode, etc.)

Last, I am still totally confused.  I have several locations in Los Angeles County, but it appears Google will only allow me to list one.  

So this means I am not allowed to engage in truth in advertising, because if I list my Marina del Rey and Santa Monica locations, I risk being removed for Mapspamming.

I note my site is still not re-listed, but Diane Westgate has promised at the first of the year, Maps Jen will get me back in the results since Google is on a code lock-down right now.

In all events, God bless and Merry Christmas/New Year!  Thanks Carter, Jen and Westgate.  Most of all. thanks Google, for helping me create a better life for my family and helping me create jobs in this rough economy.  Semper Fi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  First, I want to thank Blumenthal for having this excellent forum and also for refusing to show favoritism towards any party in the dispute.</p>
<p>I agree ultimately, it was my  responsibility to monitor my listings and I should never have given my (former) marketing guy access to my local account.</p>
<p>Third, I feel the seven month  ban was unfair, especially considering the fact that attorney spam for LA is more sophisticated and rampant than before they even had listing guidelines.  I note that despite several spam reports, none of that spam is being dealt with that is so clearly open and obvious.  </p>
<p>Fourth, I stayed after the task, and ultimately, as a result of my whining, Google finally created rules for listings (still pretty vague) and rules for re inclusion into Maps.</p>
<p>Fifth, I understand it is still a new technology and I support quality listing guidelines.</p>
<p>Sixth, I still think there is an arbitrary and capricious business listing and removal policy for businesses and hope Carter and the team see that as well.</p>
<p>Seven, Google has no greater supporter than me and my family.  If it was not for Google and Matt Cutts, I would be shining shoes somewhere.</p>
<p>I accept I was made a sacrificial lamb and hope next time . . . well I  hope there is no next time.  I had to lay off two people, it crushed my internet based business, and during a recession, and after a new born son, it almost shut me down.</p>
<p>My natural language based business suffered greatly as a result of adwords, spam type sites taking over with that great Map next to them at the very top.  Oi vey.</p>
<p>Google Maps is great if you never had natural language results.  The problem is that people who never invested the time to create a trusted site like me, skipped right to the very top, and as far as I am concerned were unjustly enriched by creating crummy sites that manipulate the Maps algo.  (LaLaw24, Accidentattorneyzipcode, etc.)</p>
<p>Last, I am still totally confused.  I have several locations in Los Angeles County, but it appears Google will only allow me to list one.  </p>
<p>So this means I am not allowed to engage in truth in advertising, because if I list my Marina del Rey and Santa Monica locations, I risk being removed for Mapspamming.</p>
<p>I note my site is still not re-listed, but Diane Westgate has promised at the first of the year, Maps Jen will get me back in the results since Google is on a code lock-down right now.</p>
<p>In all events, God bless and Merry Christmas/New Year!  Thanks Carter, Jen and Westgate.  Most of all. thanks Google, for helping me create a better life for my family and helping me create jobs in this rough economy.  Semper Fi.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I imagine Google’s tolerance for violations will be pretty low this time around.&quot;

That is certainly true, but I think it&#039;s also true for any people/businesses that we consider to be abusing or spamming the Maps/Local products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I imagine Google’s tolerance for violations will be pretty low this time around.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is certainly true, but I think it&#8217;s also true for any people/businesses that we consider to be abusing or spamming the Maps/Local products.</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PanzerMike has been long-suffering in this issue. I wish him luck with his second chance. The LBC listing is something to be used and guarded with care.

Miriam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PanzerMike has been long-suffering in this issue. I wish him luck with his second chance. The LBC listing is something to be used and guarded with care.</p>
<p>Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: David Mihm</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/12/22/panzermike-receives-year-end-pardon-allowed-back-into-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-300126</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mihm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, 

Perhaps I will update on my blog in January (I am &quot;off&quot; SEL in January because of the holiday week).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Perhaps I will update on my blog in January (I am &#8220;off&#8221; SEL in January because of the holiday week).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Martijn 

One man&#039;s persistence is another&#039;s stalking. :)

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Martijn </p>
<p>One man&#8217;s persistence is another&#8217;s stalking. <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: martijn beijk</title>
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		<dc:creator>martijn beijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes we have to admire PanzerMike&#039;s persistence in this matter! And I do believe that it was necessary to have re inclusion procedures, as David said, everyone deserves a second chance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we have to admire PanzerMike&#8217;s persistence in this matter! And I do believe that it was necessary to have re inclusion procedures, as David said, everyone deserves a second chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David

Well, even Google seems to have the Christmas spirit. Tis the time of year for pardons. 

He sure was the poster boy for banishment. :) Google couldn&#039;t have hired someone better to let people know that the they could get banned if they misbehaved. 

You should extend your analysis to October, November &amp; December though. My sense is that the reports of real spam are coming in at about the same number of actual cases as the quality of reporting has gone up...but I could be wrong.

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>Well, even Google seems to have the Christmas spirit. Tis the time of year for pardons. </p>
<p>He sure was the poster boy for banishment. <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Google couldn&#8217;t have hired someone better to let people know that the they could get banned if they misbehaved. </p>
<p>You should extend your analysis to October, November &amp; December though. My sense is that the reports of real spam are coming in at about the same number of actual cases as the quality of reporting has gone up&#8230;but I could be wrong.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: David Mihm</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mihm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think PanzerMike&#039;s banishment was appropriate, but he has clearly gone out of his way to try to reinclude himself.  I am all for giving second chances; I imagine Google&#039;s tolerance for violations will be pretty low this time around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think PanzerMike&#8217;s banishment was appropriate, but he has clearly gone out of his way to try to reinclude himself.  I am all for giving second chances; I imagine Google&#8217;s tolerance for violations will be pretty low this time around.</p>
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