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	<title>Comments on: Local Search: How not to succeed in business without really trying</title>
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		<title>By: Used truck mounts</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/12/09/local-search-how-not-to-succeed-in-business-without-really-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-450960</link>
		<dc:creator>Used truck mounts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thanks!  Me and the wife are going to use these great ideas :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thanks!  Me and the wife are going to use these great ideas <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Finneus/qwicherbichun

What these folks did wasn&#039;t getting off their asses nor playing hardball, what they did was lazy. 

They did perhaps have some temporary monetary gain but it could not have been much and from where I sit these kinds of activities remind me of the linament &amp; cure all salesmen...just a bunch of blow hards. Although these guys above don&#039;t even work as hard nor provide anywhere as much perceived values

If one is going to get off one&#039;s ass as you suggest perhaps they could create something that offers some benefit for the money received. That would be a game of hard ball that I would be happy to engage in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Finneus/qwicherbichun</p>
<p>What these folks did wasn&#8217;t getting off their asses nor playing hardball, what they did was lazy. </p>
<p>They did perhaps have some temporary monetary gain but it could not have been much and from where I sit these kinds of activities remind me of the linament &#038; cure all salesmen&#8230;just a bunch of blow hards. Although these guys above don&#8217;t even work as hard nor provide anywhere as much perceived values</p>
<p>If one is going to get off one&#8217;s ass as you suggest perhaps they could create something that offers some benefit for the money received. That would be a game of hard ball that I would be happy to engage in.</p>
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		<title>By: Finneus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite yer freakin whining..

You sound like a bunch of butt hurt little girls.

The web is a competitive space.

If you want to succeed, get off your ass and play hard ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite yer freakin whining..</p>
<p>You sound like a bunch of butt hurt little girls.</p>
<p>The web is a competitive space.</p>
<p>If you want to succeed, get off your ass and play hard ball.</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Stever. Thanks for replying.

You ask: Are they neglecting to check to see if the website already ranks already?

Considering the number of emails I get every week offering our own company SEO services so we can rank #1, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised.

Miriam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Stever. Thanks for replying.</p>
<p>You ask: Are they neglecting to check to see if the website already ranks already?</p>
<p>Considering the number of emails I get every week offering our own company SEO services so we can rank #1, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.</p>
<p>Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miriam, unfortunately an offer like that is something a lot of small local business owners might fall for. It sounds like a good deal and as you know most small biz owners are not very web savy.

For some smb&#039;s in smaller cities and/or uncompetitive environments, keyword wise, it can be easy to get them to rank, and the rankings last for quite some time without added work. So that spammer could possibly retain a fair number of clients at $50 a month.

On a similar note, some of my clients fall in those low competition environments and have top rankings organically across the major engines and in local. The type of client were I won&#039;t bother charging monthly fee&#039;s for because there just is nothing to do on a monthly level. Some of them get regular calls from &quot;offshore&quot; SEO services promising to rank them in Google, Yahoo, MSN for their local keywords for only $50 per month. 

They use the hardsell. I know because I was visiting a client when one called and he handed me the phone. I played dumb to listen to their offer. After I pointed out that the site already has #1 spot in all the engines for the main keywords they continued to push their sales pitch.

Are they neglecting to check to see if that website ranks already? Not pre-qualifying their phone leads? Maybe. Or are they preying on small business owners ignorance and making a highly attractive promise, one that&#039;s far to easy for them to deliver on as the results are already there, and hoping some that they call have no idea about their website, where it ranks and why? A strong possibility too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miriam, unfortunately an offer like that is something a lot of small local business owners might fall for. It sounds like a good deal and as you know most small biz owners are not very web savy.</p>
<p>For some smb&#8217;s in smaller cities and/or uncompetitive environments, keyword wise, it can be easy to get them to rank, and the rankings last for quite some time without added work. So that spammer could possibly retain a fair number of clients at $50 a month.</p>
<p>On a similar note, some of my clients fall in those low competition environments and have top rankings organically across the major engines and in local. The type of client were I won&#8217;t bother charging monthly fee&#8217;s for because there just is nothing to do on a monthly level. Some of them get regular calls from &#8220;offshore&#8221; SEO services promising to rank them in Google, Yahoo, MSN for their local keywords for only $50 per month. </p>
<p>They use the hardsell. I know because I was visiting a client when one called and he handed me the phone. I played dumb to listen to their offer. After I pointed out that the site already has #1 spot in all the engines for the main keywords they continued to push their sales pitch.</p>
<p>Are they neglecting to check to see if that website ranks already? Not pre-qualifying their phone leads? Maybe. Or are they preying on small business owners ignorance and making a highly attractive promise, one that&#8217;s far to easy for them to deliver on as the results are already there, and hoping some that they call have no idea about their website, where it ranks and why? A strong possibility too.</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I can&#039;t understand is how any company could make, &quot;get listed first every time,&quot; a business proposition that would sound good to any small business owner with half a brain. How long does it take to play that scenario out? Does this mean the company will accept ONLY one dentist, one auto garage, one dog walker in each city? Does the business owner expect to invest in a big non-compete fee? 

I just shudder to think that people must have signed up for this service, or the profit scenario you and David are discussing isn&#039;t even part of the equation. My question is, who would sign up for such a service? How can a business offer like this manage to make money at all?

Glad Google shut them down.
Miriam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t understand is how any company could make, &#8220;get listed first every time,&#8221; a business proposition that would sound good to any small business owner with half a brain. How long does it take to play that scenario out? Does this mean the company will accept ONLY one dentist, one auto garage, one dog walker in each city? Does the business owner expect to invest in a big non-compete fee? </p>
<p>I just shudder to think that people must have signed up for this service, or the profit scenario you and David are discussing isn&#8217;t even part of the equation. My question is, who would sign up for such a service? How can a business offer like this manage to make money at all?</p>
<p>Glad Google shut them down.<br />
Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stever &amp; Matt-right you are. Thought through that in the first sentence and by the time I had hit the end of the paragraph I was too wrapped up in what I was doing to notice. Sorry for the oversight.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stever &#038; Matt-right you are. Thought through that in the first sentence and by the time I had hit the end of the paragraph I was too wrapped up in what I was doing to notice. Sorry for the oversight.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The maps folks are digging into it, but I&#039;d agree that this is a fine time to use a nofollow attribute in the mean time. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The maps folks are digging into it, but I&#8217;d agree that this is a fine time to use a nofollow attribute in the mean time. <img src='http://blumenthals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: New Google MapSpam - How Long Will This One Last? &#171; LocalMN Blog</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/12/09/local-search-how-not-to-succeed-in-business-without-really-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-293417</link>
		<dc:creator>New Google MapSpam - How Long Will This One Last? &#171; LocalMN Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New Google MapSpam - How Long Will This One&#160;Last?  Thanks to Mike Blumenthal for catching this. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] New Google MapSpam &#8211; How Long Will This One&nbsp;Last?  Thanks to Mike Blumenthal for catching this. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, don&#039;t give spammers the benefits of your link juice. I&#039;d add a nofollow tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, don&#8217;t give spammers the benefits of your link juice. I&#8217;d add a nofollow tag.</p>
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