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	<title>Comments on: Yahoo Responds to Affiliate Spam Issue &#8211; as do I</title>
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		<title>By: iBegin Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fighting Spam</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-224909</link>
		<dc:creator>iBegin Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fighting Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the recent news being splashed around about spam appearing in &#8216;open&#8217; systems like Yahoo and Google, some have taken a very harsh approach on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Yhoo Affiliate Mapspam now gone &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-220268</link>
		<dc:creator>Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Yhoo Affiliate Mapspam now gone &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] InÂ Yahoo Responds to Affiliate Spam Issue - as do IÂ I noted that theÂ activity was either is authorized by the hotels or isnâ€™t in response to Yahoo&#8217;s vague comments:â€œWe havenâ€™t seen what I would categorize as significant abuse issues. Iâ€™m not going to speak specifically to the hotel thing. That one is a unique case. We have been looking into itâ€¦. Weâ€™ll take the appropriate action, but my gut is telling me that itâ€™s not nearly as suspect as what was written up. â€œRegardless the links are now goneÂ   &#171; On vacation&#160;&#8211;&#160; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] InÂ Yahoo Responds to Affiliate Spam Issue &#8211; as do IÂ I noted that theÂ activity was either is authorized by the hotels or isnâ€™t in response to Yahoo&#8217;s vague comments:â€œWe havenâ€™t seen what I would categorize as significant abuse issues. Iâ€™m not going to speak specifically to the hotel thing. That one is a unique case. We have been looking into itâ€¦. Weâ€™ll take the appropriate action, but my gut is telling me that itâ€™s not nearly as suspect as what was written up. â€œRegardless the links are now goneÂ   &laquo; On vacation&nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Does Local need to be held to a higher standard? &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-216717</link>
		<dc:creator>Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Does Local need to be held to a higher standard? &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have been thinking about Yahoo lately (big surprise that eh?) and have been mulling over in my head what is what in the world of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-216622</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Miriam

Yes, I found his omments curious. Kinda of like saying that she is sort of pregnant and getting annoyed with me for noticing.

From my perspective it is a factual matter, that shoud be easy to determine. Either it is or it isn&#039;t. 

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Miriam</p>
<p>Yes, I found his omments curious. Kinda of like saying that she is sort of pregnant and getting annoyed with me for noticing.</p>
<p>From my perspective it is a factual matter, that shoud be easy to determine. Either it is or it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I just read Matt&#039;s follow-up complete interview with Brian Gil. I could be wrong, but it almost sounded as if Yahoo Local is aware of the hotel thing and indicating that it might be intentional on the part of the Hotel. You&#039;d think, if it was, whoever is doing the affiliate thing for them would come up with a better URL than what you pointed out being used as the redirect. I mean, it doesn&#039;t even look remotely like it belongs to Marriott.

I&#039;m still feeling mystified by it.

It was a good interview. Matt asked good questions. 
Miriam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I just read Matt&#8217;s follow-up complete interview with Brian Gil. I could be wrong, but it almost sounded as if Yahoo Local is aware of the hotel thing and indicating that it might be intentional on the part of the Hotel. You&#8217;d think, if it was, whoever is doing the affiliate thing for them would come up with a better URL than what you pointed out being used as the redirect. I mean, it doesn&#8217;t even look remotely like it belongs to Marriott.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still feeling mystified by it.</p>
<p>It was a good interview. Matt asked good questions.<br />
Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-216385</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Miriam

The convergence of the internet and our daily lives &amp; communities in the form of Local will require new rules and guidelines to make it work. In exactly what timeframe or structure I am not sure.

Business will not function without the rules of a civil society. As you are walking down the street with your iPhone-droid, finalizing your hotel stay with the Marriott you need to have trust in both the relationship and the transaction.

Your wild west analogy is interesting and instructive. Once the era of Judge Roy Bean and Billy The Kid had passed, the cities, towns, states and nation abolished slavery, child labor &amp; gun toting cowboys in favor of paved streets, fire departments, social security and zoning.  

Something of the same ilk will be necessary for Local to function. The time to start calling a spade a spade is now. By referring to what occured as a &quot;uniques case&quot; as opposed to what it really is (theft), we are only delaying the conversation about how to really make Local work.

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Miriam</p>
<p>The convergence of the internet and our daily lives &amp; communities in the form of Local will require new rules and guidelines to make it work. In exactly what timeframe or structure I am not sure.</p>
<p>Business will not function without the rules of a civil society. As you are walking down the street with your iPhone-droid, finalizing your hotel stay with the Marriott you need to have trust in both the relationship and the transaction.</p>
<p>Your wild west analogy is interesting and instructive. Once the era of Judge Roy Bean and Billy The Kid had passed, the cities, towns, states and nation abolished slavery, child labor &amp; gun toting cowboys in favor of paved streets, fire departments, social security and zoning.  </p>
<p>Something of the same ilk will be necessary for Local to function. The time to start calling a spade a spade is now. By referring to what occured as a &#8220;uniques case&#8221; as opposed to what it really is (theft), we are only delaying the conversation about how to really make Local work.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;AND left with some private information about you.&quot;

Okay, that&#039;s the part that&#039;s especially bad, I agree. 

I guess, Mike, I feel a little jaded about the wild west bandito ethics regarding people finding all kinds of creative ways to scrape money out of the Internet. It is so common now. I figure people are just going to do this kind of thing, because they can.

But when I think about the data being accumulated by the spammer...that surely seems extreme.

I wonder how many years away we are from serious, enforced laws governing all this stuff. 
Miriam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AND left with some private information about you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, that&#8217;s the part that&#8217;s especially bad, I agree. </p>
<p>I guess, Mike, I feel a little jaded about the wild west bandito ethics regarding people finding all kinds of creative ways to scrape money out of the Internet. It is so common now. I figure people are just going to do this kind of thing, because they can.</p>
<p>But when I think about the data being accumulated by the spammer&#8230;that surely seems extreme.</p>
<p>I wonder how many years away we are from serious, enforced laws governing all this stuff.<br />
Miriam</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/03/26/yahoo-responds-to-affiliate-spam-issue-as-do-i/comment-page-1/#comment-216270</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Miriam

They are worrisome on another level to me. They cross the boundary of ethical and legal behavior and as such are quite repugnant.

Imagine if you will a business that inserted some special technology at the gas pump that sat between your transaction and the gas station and took a &quot;small cut&quot; of each transaction AND left with some private information about you. And like in this situation neither the business nor you knew that it was happening. 

It is clear to me that this is beyond the pale as it were (hows that for a phrase). 

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Miriam</p>
<p>They are worrisome on another level to me. They cross the boundary of ethical and legal behavior and as such are quite repugnant.</p>
<p>Imagine if you will a business that inserted some special technology at the gas pump that sat between your transaction and the gas station and took a &#8220;small cut&#8221; of each transaction AND left with some private information about you. And like in this situation neither the business nor you knew that it was happening. </p>
<p>It is clear to me that this is beyond the pale as it were (hows that for a phrase). </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: I Consider Yahoo&#8217;s Spam Prevention Suspect &#8212; eClick Performance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Consider Yahoo&#8217;s Spam Prevention Suspect &#8212; eClick Performance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this is the case.    Sticking with the assumption that these links are, in fact, affiliate spam, Mike Blumenthal has a nice table displaying the percentages of affiliate URLs he found for a sample of hotels in various US [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is the case.    Sticking with the assumption that these links are, in fact, affiliate spam, Mike Blumenthal has a nice table displaying the percentages of affiliate URLs he found for a sample of hotels in various US [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiriamEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s something important to know...that businesses might be authorizing this affiliate behavior, but that it&#039;s likely not the case with Marriott.

I have to agree with you, Mike, 862 cases of mapspam is worrisome, even if these were the ONLY cases in the whole index, simply because they represent a weakness in the system that is open to abuse.

Miriam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s something important to know&#8230;that businesses might be authorizing this affiliate behavior, but that it&#8217;s likely not the case with Marriott.</p>
<p>I have to agree with you, Mike, 862 cases of mapspam is worrisome, even if these were the ONLY cases in the whole index, simply because they represent a weakness in the system that is open to abuse.</p>
<p>Miriam</p>
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