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	<title>Comments on: 2008 Wishes: Peace on earth, goodwill for all people and help for MapsGuide Jen</title>
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		<title>By: Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Google Maps: The cacophony of complaints continue, links to the dead? &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understanding Google Maps &#38; Yahoo Local Search &#187; Google Maps: The cacophony of complaints continue, links to the dead? &#124; Developing Knowledge about Local Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] number and similarity of complaints to the Google Maps For Business Group. I have also noted the need for more more staff support for the group. The other day the summary of the daily conversations seemed to embody all of that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck they should make her the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/technology/12google.html?hp" rel="nofollow"&gt;message therapist&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck they should make her the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/technology/12google.html?hp" rel="nofollow">message therapist</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MapsGuide Jen is the shining star of Google.  They should give her a massage therapist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MapsGuide Jen is the shining star of Google.  They should give her a massage therapist.</p>
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		<title>By: Big List of 2008 Prediction &#38; Resolution Posts &#187; Small Business SEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big List of 2008 Prediction &#38; Resolution Posts &#187; Small Business SEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2008 Wishes: Peace on earth, goodwill for all people and help for MapsGuide Jen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://blumenthals.com/blog/2007/12/30/2008-wishes-peace-on-earth-goodwill-for-all-people-and-help-for-mapsguide-jen/#comment-178772</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave-

I really wonder about why when a company takes control of a business record and Google verifies by phone or mail, that bad numbers or bad records should sneak back in or stay in...it doesn't make much sense does it.

The standards to which they are being compared, the Yellow Pages and Rand McNally, have set very high standards as baselines. Also it is in an environement in which the problems are more noticable (i.e. searchable). They are exacerbated by the limited size and huge benefits conferred by the Local OneBox.

If they can't see their way clear to ground the plane for week, I for one would be willing to pay an annual fee for the privelege of talking to someone and getting questions answered and problems solved. I am sure that I am not alone in that.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave-</p>
<p>I really wonder about why when a company takes control of a business record and Google verifies by phone or mail, that bad numbers or bad records should sneak back in or stay in&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t make much sense does it.</p>
<p>The standards to which they are being compared, the Yellow Pages and Rand McNally, have set very high standards as baselines. Also it is in an environement in which the problems are more noticable (i.e. searchable). They are exacerbated by the limited size and huge benefits conferred by the Local OneBox.</p>
<p>If they can&#8217;t see their way clear to ground the plane for week, I for one would be willing to pay an annual fee for the privelege of talking to someone and getting questions answered and problems solved. I am sure that I am not alone in that.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: earlpearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Mike:

The lack of responsiveness on Google's behalf within the local business center is problematic.  

Customer service is an interesting phrase with regard to google's service.  They are responsive and have helpful live people for adwords accounts.  That is like any company should with regard to services provided in which they are earning income directly from accounts.

They aren't  earning anything nor do they have accounts with regard to the Maps data.

Yet the volume of problems seems to be rising, the scarcity of responses from Google seems to be diminishing and in some cases the problems are severe.  In quite a few cases people representing businesses and services seem to be complaining for periods that stretch over months.

Yet wrong data persists.

Of interest you identified in another thread how Google's data in Maps was superior and more up to date than Yahoo's data in Yahoo Local.

The problem seems to be that Google has such a lock on traffic and is essentially running in a close to monopoly status with regard to search that the inaccuracies that cause problems for venders and customers alike are highlighted by the errors and inability to fix problems at Google.

Of interest, I asked for help at Google Maps almost 2 weeks ago.  I gave very specific information with regard to a listing, contact information, etc.

I haven't gotten a response.  It will negatively impact the business.

Far worse, I noted a while ago a business that has been trying to correct erroneous location information for over 9 months.  (long enough to have a baby!!!)  The information is still incorrect.  The business tried to get it corrected directly.  Then it started to contact Google in Google Maps back in November.  It gave very precise information as to a correct address, contact information by phone and email.

I noticed today that not only does Maps contain the wrong address but underneath Maps is the organic result.  Contained within the organic result is a plusbox address.  Open up the plusbox and it repeats a map to the wrong address.

Go to the business website and the correct address is there.  Google Maps contains the wrong address.  They compound the problem by expanding the wrong data into an add-on within organic serps that replicates the wrong maps address.

This is for a business that gave the clearest address, contact information, multiple forms of contact, and described a 9 month long process to correct the error.

I am aware that customers and potential customers are getting lost.  Of interest the business is recording the calls from lost customers.  Per the webmaster who directly contacted Google, every one of the lost people found the wrong information in Google.

Of interest Yahoo Local provides two addresses including the old wrong data and the new correct data.

The monopolistic control of search that Google seems to hold on visitors is creating problems.

Even as Google doesn't have "accounts" with businesses and services that can be found in Maps the problems persist and the effort to solve them seems to have slowed.

Google needs to expand its effort to correct these problems.  

Like you I'd rather they succeed.  As large and profitable as they are it seems they could dramatically increase the efforts to solve problems and vastly outshine other engines in this regard.  

The opposite that might occur is that simply more people identify the problems and migrate to other engines.

Regardless of not having accounts their inability to solve these issues is becoming the cause of problems.  On that basis alone they need to increase the customer service effort.

I wonder if the recent complaints about bulk uploading for Maps being broken is a system response to abuses you have aptly described as Mapspam.  It could well be that the abuses of mapspam might have been dramatic in number, far beyond the ones you have reported.

If google's only responses to these issues are systemic and not via the attention of a few more human's then the problems and abuses might go on and on and on.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Mike:</p>
<p>The lack of responsiveness on Google&#8217;s behalf within the local business center is problematic.  </p>
<p>Customer service is an interesting phrase with regard to google&#8217;s service.  They are responsive and have helpful live people for adwords accounts.  That is like any company should with regard to services provided in which they are earning income directly from accounts.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t  earning anything nor do they have accounts with regard to the Maps data.</p>
<p>Yet the volume of problems seems to be rising, the scarcity of responses from Google seems to be diminishing and in some cases the problems are severe.  In quite a few cases people representing businesses and services seem to be complaining for periods that stretch over months.</p>
<p>Yet wrong data persists.</p>
<p>Of interest you identified in another thread how Google&#8217;s data in Maps was superior and more up to date than Yahoo&#8217;s data in Yahoo Local.</p>
<p>The problem seems to be that Google has such a lock on traffic and is essentially running in a close to monopoly status with regard to search that the inaccuracies that cause problems for venders and customers alike are highlighted by the errors and inability to fix problems at Google.</p>
<p>Of interest, I asked for help at Google Maps almost 2 weeks ago.  I gave very specific information with regard to a listing, contact information, etc.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t gotten a response.  It will negatively impact the business.</p>
<p>Far worse, I noted a while ago a business that has been trying to correct erroneous location information for over 9 months.  (long enough to have a baby!!!)  The information is still incorrect.  The business tried to get it corrected directly.  Then it started to contact Google in Google Maps back in November.  It gave very precise information as to a correct address, contact information by phone and email.</p>
<p>I noticed today that not only does Maps contain the wrong address but underneath Maps is the organic result.  Contained within the organic result is a plusbox address.  Open up the plusbox and it repeats a map to the wrong address.</p>
<p>Go to the business website and the correct address is there.  Google Maps contains the wrong address.  They compound the problem by expanding the wrong data into an add-on within organic serps that replicates the wrong maps address.</p>
<p>This is for a business that gave the clearest address, contact information, multiple forms of contact, and described a 9 month long process to correct the error.</p>
<p>I am aware that customers and potential customers are getting lost.  Of interest the business is recording the calls from lost customers.  Per the webmaster who directly contacted Google, every one of the lost people found the wrong information in Google.</p>
<p>Of interest Yahoo Local provides two addresses including the old wrong data and the new correct data.</p>
<p>The monopolistic control of search that Google seems to hold on visitors is creating problems.</p>
<p>Even as Google doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;accounts&#8221; with businesses and services that can be found in Maps the problems persist and the effort to solve them seems to have slowed.</p>
<p>Google needs to expand its effort to correct these problems.  </p>
<p>Like you I&#8217;d rather they succeed.  As large and profitable as they are it seems they could dramatically increase the efforts to solve problems and vastly outshine other engines in this regard.  </p>
<p>The opposite that might occur is that simply more people identify the problems and migrate to other engines.</p>
<p>Regardless of not having accounts their inability to solve these issues is becoming the cause of problems.  On that basis alone they need to increase the customer service effort.</p>
<p>I wonder if the recent complaints about bulk uploading for Maps being broken is a system response to abuses you have aptly described as Mapspam.  It could well be that the abuses of mapspam might have been dramatic in number, far beyond the ones you have reported.</p>
<p>If google&#8217;s only responses to these issues are systemic and not via the attention of a few more human&#8217;s then the problems and abuses might go on and on and on.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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